Annoying creationists

[kleinman]

Annoying Creationists

So now you are trying to claim that a wookie couldn’t evolve even if you had the right weather conditions? Didn’t you know that if you had the correct weather conditions, anything could evolve? I acknowledge this is complete speculation, but well within the range of evolutionary possibility. As long as there was enough free energy for these selection conditions to occur.

Is your god a wookie? Is that why you think that's evolutions goal?

Does he make you say stupid things in some sort of worship?

Envision a system of millions of forming and destructive chemical reactions. Now, envision that intermediates of there reactions associate through non-covalent means and that this complex becomes protected against the destructive reactive pathway, perhaps by a reversible precipitation. These new complexes result in a localized increased of new chemical species. These chemical species then progress in a new series of reaction... that is what I mean through cooperative means. I acknowledge this is complete speculation, but well within the range of chemical possibility. As long as there was enough free energy for these reaction to occur.

Joobz, if the sun shines on lead long enough does it turn into gold?

 

[joobz]

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Joobz, if the sun shines on lead long enough does it turn into gold?

That's so sad. The wookie gods are preventing you from seeing the truth of what multiple selection pressures mean. As you so clearly have shown, when you have these multiple strong constant pressures, the rate of evolutionary emergence of adaption is greatly reduced. The moment you have variable pressures, the rate of emergence accelerates tremendously. This has been shown in the countless examples which you have presented. I thank you for all that information.

Now weather is merely one example of the variable environment that is nature. I see no reason to present the countless other examples of natural variation.

Your only hope to wish evolution away is to prove weather doesn't exist. Why do you start working on that math?


So Kleinman, Please tell us, Is weather real?

You can tell us as soon as your done bowing in dedranged subserviance to the wookie lord. I can only assume that is what your gif means.

 

[articulett]

ugh... creationists spend all their time knocking evolution instead of learning the latest news humans are uncovering...

They just aren't curious about the facts... and they never, never have facts about an alternate theory... they dodge and weave to avoid saying what it is they "believe", because they know it's woo... and giving a voice to it, makes them have to hear how ridiculous they sound positing an invisible guy obsessed with this speck of universe making ebola and sharks and maggots and algae and humans... for some magical divine plan involving the most egotistical of his creations.

 

[kleinman]

Annoying Creationists

They just aren't curious about the facts... and they never, never have facts about an alternate theory... they dodge and weave to avoid saying what it is they "believe", because they know it's woo... and giving a voice to it, makes them have to hear how ridiculous they sound positing an invisible guy obsessed with this speck of universe making ebola and sharks and maggots and algae and humans... for some magical divine plan involving the most egotistical of his creations.

I’m curious about your arti-culett-facts. Why don’t you post some of them about how mutation and selection actually works? Why don’t you give us some arti-culett-facts of how a gene evolves de novo by mutation and selection?

Even if you don’t give us some arti-culett-facts about how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process works, my heart was warmed when your mothering instincts took over and you protected Shalamar after he got annoyed during his Survival of the Fittest Day celebration.

 

[Shalamar]

Even if you don’t give us some arti-culett-facts about how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process works, my heart was warmed when your mothering instincts took over and you protected Shalamar after he got annoyed during his Survival of the Fittest Day celebration.

Poor Poor Mr. Klienman. I'm terribly sorry, but your made up 'holiday' 'survival of the fittest day' was only celebrated by you. After all, you designed it.

I was off having a very nice Christmas with my family.

 

[kjkent1]

Dr Schneider did a good job modeling the mutation and selection sorting/optimization stochastic process and it shows why the theory of evolution by the mutation and selection sorting/optimization stochastic process is mathematically impossible. Sorting by multiple selection conditions stochastically is profoundly slow. This is why combination therapy for treating diseases subject to this type of mechanism is far more effective than monotherapy.

The only thing profoundly slow around here is Alan Kleinman.

Repeating for the umpteenth time:

Large genomes are known to appear by many duplication mechanisms that are not in the Ev model. There are polymerase slippage, illegitimate recombination, transposons, insertion sequences, tetraploidization, and Robertsonain translations. These can all increase genome size rapidly. The mechanisms are currently not part of the Ev/Evj model.

 

[joobz]

The only thing profoundly slow around here is Alan Kleinman.

Repeating for the umpteenth time:

Large genomes are known to appear by many duplication mechanisms that are not in the Ev model. There are polymerase slippage, illegitimate recombination, transposons, insertion sequences, tetraploidization, and Robertsonain translations. These can all increase genome size rapidly. The mechanisms are currently not part of the Ev/Evj model.

quoted for truth.

 

[BPScooter]

I guess the part that I'm missing is the Real Truth about how all this Actually Works. Kleinman will be the first to agree.

Yet somehow I'm not yet convinced that K. knows how it Actually Works. The computer model argument is still ongoing, apparently, so we might be better off by waiting, watching, or doing some experiments or excavations.

I'm sure this will brand me as some sort of ignoramus, one who has no idea how these processes "actually work." I'm also sure my understanding was profoundly slowed by spending precious time reading the posts of K., entertaining to be sure, but providing nothing but a scary devotion to Schneider and a propensity for insult and juvenile attitude.

So, K., you might just think you "won" this, but you are so repetitive and boring that I'm going to remove this thread from my regular reading. Boo hoo, big loss to you, you say, hooray for you. Just remember that you've stimulated my interest in order to contradict people like you with arguments like yours, elsewhere.

 

[Belz...]

So now you are trying to claim that a wookie couldn’t evolve even if you had the right weather conditions? Didn’t you know that if you had the correct weather conditions, anything could evolve?

"Gee, these guys sure know more about this stuff than I do. Say, if I keep using insults and making up their own positions, instead, It'd be far easier for me!!"

Folks, Kleinman is not in the same conversation as the rest of us. He's constructed a mental universe where he sees posts differently than how they were written, and basically answers in a way that makes him feel good. He's completely detached from reality. We're just feeding his madness.

I, for one, an bowing out.

 

[kleinman]

Annoying Creationists

Even if you don’t give us some arti-culett-facts about how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process works, my heart was warmed when your mothering instincts took over and you protected Shalamar after he got annoyed during his Survival of the Fittest Day celebration.

Poor Poor Mr. Klienman. I'm terribly sorry, but your made up 'holiday' 'survival of the fittest day' was only celebrated by you. After all, you designed it.

I was off having a very nice Christmas with my family.

Really, an evolutionist celebrates Christmas? What do you think Jesus Christ thought of the book of Genesis?

Dr Schneider did a good job modeling the mutation and selection sorting/optimization stochastic process and it shows why the theory of evolution by the mutation and selection sorting/optimization stochastic process is mathematically impossible. Sorting by multiple selection conditions stochastically is profoundly slow. This is why combination therapy for treating diseases subject to this type of mechanism is far more effective than monotherapy.

Large genomes are known to appear by many duplication mechanisms that are not in the Ev model. There are polymerase slippage, illegitimate recombination, transposons, insertion sequences, tetraploidization, and Robertsonain translations. These can all increase genome size rapidly. The mechanisms are currently not part of the Ev/Evj model.

I see, that’s why combination selection pressures never slow the evolutionary process. I’m overwhelmed by all your examples of these processes which contradict what ev shows mathematically and the hundreds of empirical examples which substantiates what ev shows.

Some smart legal beagle is going to figure out that the gross misinterpretation that evolutionists make of the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process has and will continue to contribute to the premature death of millions of people suffering from diseases subject to the principles of mutation and selection. That smart legal beagle will have a lawsuit that will dwarf the tobacco lawsuit. There are no smart legal beagles on this thread.

I guess the part that I'm missing is the Real Truth about how all this Actually Works. Kleinman will be the first to agree.

Yet somehow I'm not yet convinced that K. knows how it Actually Works. The computer model argument is still ongoing, apparently, so we might be better off by waiting, watching, or doing some experiments or excavations.

What you are missing BPScooter is that mutation and selection is nothing more than a sorting/optimization problem. These are very common problems throughout science. Somehow evolutionists have come to think that there is something special about this particular sorting/optimization process and that it is not governed by the same mathematical principles of all other sorting/optimization problems. The simple explanation for how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process Actually Works is that this process is dominated by the complexity of the sorting conditions. The only excavation you need to do is for a hole to bury your irrational and illogical theory of evolution in.

I'm sure this will brand me as some sort of ignoramus, one who has no idea how these processes "actually work." I'm also sure my understanding was profoundly slowed by spending precious time reading the posts of K., entertaining to be sure, but providing nothing but a scary devotion to Schneider and a propensity for insult and juvenile attitude.

If you weren’t ignorant of how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process works, why would you say “we might be better off by waiting, watching, or doing some experiments or excavations”? You should study and learn how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process works and stop having this scary devotion to a mathematically impossible theory. I wouldn’t call whatever relationship I have with Dr Schneider a scary devotion. In fact I disagree with his interpretation of his model. However, his underlying mathematics properly captures the essential features of the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process. Dr Schneider blundered with his interpretation based on a single published case.

So, K., you might just think you "won" this, but you are so repetitive and boring that I'm going to remove this thread from my regular reading. Boo hoo, big loss to you, you say, hooray for you. Just remember that you've stimulated my interest in order to contradict people like you with arguments like yours, elsewhere.

You can’t repeat the truth about the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process to much. There are so many evolutionists who espouse a gross misinterpretation of how this process actually works that it takes a constant repetition of this mantra for it to have any chance for it to be seen through the evolutionist fog surrounding the process. I hope I haven’t bored you with the hundreds of real examples of how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process Actually Works.

Tell us again what your argument is which contradicts what Dr Schneider’s mathematical model shows and is substantiated by hundreds of real, measurable and repeatable examples of the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process, that is combination selection pressures profoundly slow the evolutionary process. Oh, that’s right; your argument is that you need more experiments and excavations. Check out the new citation posted below. That’s another experiment which shows that combination selection pressures profoundly slow evolution by the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process.

I, for one, an bowing out.

Again? Just when you had almost convinced me that Beggaminases is how the theory of evolution works.
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/webnotes/publications/archives_medicine.cfm

Worldwide over 170 million people are chronically infected with the hepatitis C virus and hence at high risk to develop fatal liver disease. There is no vaccine available and the standard therapy [(pegylated) interferon alfa plus ribavirin] is only effective in 50–60% of patients and is associated with important side-effects. The discovery of novel antiviral strategies to selectively inhibit HCV replication has long been hindered by the lack of convenient cell culture models for the propagation of HCV. This hurdle has been overcome first with the establishment of the HCV replicon system in 1999 and, in 2005, with the development of robust HCV cell culture models. In recent years also mouse models have been elaborated that will be instrumental in assessing the in vivo efficacy of novel drugs. The viral serine protease and the viral RNA dependent RNA polymerase have shown to be excellent targets for selective anti-HCV therapy. Clinical studies with a limited number of HCV protease and polymerase inhibitors resulted in encouraging results. However, and not unexpected, preclinical evidence suggest that the virus may become rapidly resistant to such inhibitors. Combination therapy of drugs with different mode of action and resistance profiles may thus be required. Alternative strategies, such as the use of non-immunosuppressive cyclosporin A analogues with potent anti-HCV activity, may prove important, in particular since such compounds may have a resistance profile that is very different from that of protease or polymerase inhibitors.

There is another experiment for you BPScooter which show how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process Actually Works.

 

[kjkent1]

I see, that’s why combination selection pressures never slow the evolutionary process. I’m overwhelmed by all your examples of these processes which contradict what ev shows mathematically and the hundreds of empirical examples which substantiates what ev shows.

Your first sentence is a gross misrepresentation. I never said that combination selection pressures never slow the evolutionary process. My position is that strong combinations of selection pressures slow the evolutionary process by reducing the viral load and reducing the probability of a significant mutation which might provide immunoprophylaxis escape.

However, I also specifically posted a citation which showed such an escape under combination selection pressures applied to HIV-1, via a frame shift -- thus showing that despite the combination pressures, a random mutation can and does produce evolutionary change.

And, true to form, you ignored the citation. Which makes you intellectually dishonest -- and a really crappy scientist, IMHO.
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[joobz]

Really, an evolutionist celebrates Christmas? What do you think Jesus Christ thought of the book of Genesis?

Why would you care what Jesus thought? It's obvious that you aren't christian.

 

[Shalamar]

Lets check on more of Mr. Klienmans dishonesty and his lies.

I do not consider myself an 'evolutionist'. That is a false label placed by creationists. I trust in the empirical evidence provided by the Theory of Evolution. I have yet to see any legitimate evidence in favour of a competing theory.

Jesus was a Jew. He likely would have said that Genesis was a moral story, and not to be taken at literal face value. What would Jesus say about your lies, dishonesty and your continued insults?

How. For your (false) claim that you have mathematical proof that evolution is impossible. Again. I ask for your math. Mind you, I know you don't have it, and you've never been able to show it. I'm going to try something different:

1: How many pressures are required for your hypothesis?
2: How strong do these pressures have to be?
3: How long do these pressures have to exert?

Can you answer these questions, Mr. Klienman?

Do you understand how the Theory Evolution actually works? ALL of it?

 

[Shalamar]

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Why would you care what Jesus thought? It's obvious that you aren't christian.

I wonder at that one myself. Its obvious he just pays lip service, and doesn't actually believe in any Christian Sect that I know of. Its some god that advocates lying attacking, and insulting ones enemies when one doesn't get their way.

That, and it seems he actually worships at the altar of evolution. He's so obsessed with the concept, and the sheer desperation of trying to prove it wrong, without having anything to replace it. Yeah. He's a terrible scientist.

 

[kleinman]

Annoying Creationists

I see, that’s why combination selection pressures never slow the evolutionary process. I’m overwhelmed by all your examples of these processes which contradict what ev shows mathematically and the hundreds of empirical examples which substantiates what ev shows.

Your first sentence is a gross misrepresentation. I never said that combination selection pressures never slow the evolutionary process. My position is that strong combinations of selection pressures slow the evolutionary process by reducing the viral load and reducing the probability of a significant mutation which might provide immunoprophylaxis escape.

Once again you demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of the basic science of the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process. Strong selection pressures are strong because they select out (kill or prevent procreation) a large portion of the population. If the population can not adapt to these strong pressures, the population goes extinct. Weak selection pressures do not select out large portions of the population and therefore do not increase in frequency the genetic sequence those pressures are directed at. Strong selection pressures force rapid evolution of the genome. Weak selection pressures only cause slight drift of the population about the local optimum on the fitness landscape.

However, I also specifically posted a citation which showed such an escape under combination selection pressures applied to HIV-1, via a frame shift -- thus showing that despite the combination pressures, a random mutation can and does produce evolutionary change.

Apparently you haven’t been reading the citations I have been posting because I have posted several similar citations. All these citations show is that frame shifts do not change the fact that combination therapy still profoundly slows the evolution of the HIV virus. It is not the type of mutation the drives the mathematical behavior of the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process it is the number of selection conditions which dominates the mathematics of the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process.

Now legal beagle, if you are looking for a lawsuit to make some money on, here it is. The gross misinterpretation that evolutionists make of the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process contributes to the premature death of millions of people suffering from diseases subject to the principles of mutation and selection. This suit will be bigger than the tobacco lawsuit.

Really, an evolutionist celebrates Christmas? What do you think Jesus Christ thought of the book of Genesis?

Why would you care what Jesus thought? It's obvious that you aren't christian.

Really, you are sure that I am not a Christian? So you are more than a Wookie Weatherman, you are a mind reader.

Jesus was a Jew. He likely would have said that Genesis was a moral story, and not to be taken at literal face value.

You evolutionist really like to speculate. Read Matthew 19:1-9 and pay particular attention to verse 4 and you will get an idea of what Jesus said and thought about the book of Genesis.

1: How many pressures are required for your hypothesis?

2: How strong do these pressures have to be?
3: How long do these pressures have to exert?

1: Any more than a single selection pressure profoundly slow evolution by the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process.
2: Only a single strong selection pressure can drive a population to evolve rapidly. Strong selection pressures tend to kill or prevent procreation of more than 50% of the population.
3: Evolution only occurs when the selection pressures are exerted. If the strong selection pressure is only applied for a short period of time such has been done with antimicrobial agents, herbicides, pesticides in the past 5 decades or so, you select for populations that will evolve resistance to these agents. This would not have happened if evolutionists had properly elucidated how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process actually works. The actual length of time for selection pressures to act is dependent on the generation times for the particular populations considered. If more than a single selection pressure is applied to the population, this length of time is vastly increased. To give you an idea of some actual lengths of time, consider HIV. This rapidly reproducing virus can evolve resistance to monotherapy in two weeks. Three drug therapy can and does last for years.

Now if you were joobz, the Wookie Weatherman and mind reader, you would claim that variations in the weather can evolve anything and that chemicals cooperate to bring about life spontaneously. That’s the theory of evolution, SciFi channel style. Is there any other evolutionist style?

 

[Shalamar]

And yet Mr. Klienman, the lying Creationist, still does not understand Evolution, nor its evidence. Once again, you are wrong, as people have pointed out many times.

Selection Pressures, in nature, are of variable amounts, duration, and intensity. Of course, in your magic world, All PRessures are of the same durations, quantities, and strengths.

Too bad that Evolution, including Speciation has been actively observed in the world, regardless of the number of selection pressures. We also have to remember, that in this magic world, that slow is the same as stop, and that Mr. Klienmans Faith tells him to lie, and insult people.

Oh yes. Jews on Genesis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_evolution
Now to be Fair, 2000 years ago was before the Theory of Evolution, and people had a different stance on evolution. Sine Jesus isn't around today to chat about it, Its hard to know what he would have thought.

Oh Yes. On the Origin of Life? Evolution doesn't talk about the Origin of Life. At all.

 

[kleinman]

Annoying Creationists

And yet Mr. Klienman, the lying Creationist, still does not understand Evolution, nor its evidence. Once again, you are wrong, as people have pointed out many times.

Shallowmar, the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process is too important a phenomenon to be left to naïve laymen like you and mathematically incompetent evolutionists. People are dying from diseases subject to mutation and selection and evolutionists have failed to properly elucidate how this phenomenon works. If you can’t take the truth about how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process actually works, run home and tell you mommy that a mean old creationist annoyed you when you were trying to celebrate Happy Survival of the Fittest Day.

Now to be Fair, 2000 years ago was before the Theory of Evolution, and people had a different stance on evolution. Sine Jesus isn't around today to chat about it, Its hard to know what he would have thought.

So you might as well ignore the most documented and studied text which has ever been written and make up whatever you want. That’s exactly what an evolutionist would do.

Oh Yes. On the Origin of Life? Evolution doesn't talk about the Origin of Life. At all.

Oh yes, you are correct. You are describing the dumb and dumber concepts that dominate the field of biology right now. I’ll let you decide which one is dumb and which one is dumber.

 

[Shalamar]

Shallowmar,

Hooray! More insults, and attacks from an irrational creationist!

the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process is too important a phenomenon to be left to naïve laymen like you and mathematically incompetent evolutionists.

WHat about mathematically incompetent creationists? You know.., the ones who claim to have math, and never, ever show the math they claim? Keep Lying Mr. Klienman.

People are dying from diseases subject to mutation and selection and evolutionists have failed to properly elucidate how this phenomenon works.

You know, this statement from you have always bothered me. And now I know why. Biologists, as in, people who study evolutionary theory, biology, life forms and the like, do just that. They study. They post their reports.

Seems like it would be doctors who would be the evil ones for not doing what you claim they should be doing. Perhaps some of these combination treatments would harm patients? Some haven't been properly tested? Sure, an evolutionist (Your term) would say ' If you throw a large amount of drugs at the disease, the disease may eventually be stopped, or irradicated. Of course, the patient may be as well.' Biologists cover quite a few disciplines. Perhaps you should talk to doctors about the risks of overwhelming a body, and why there are constant tests being done.

There is also the problem that some diseases are caused by viruses, and aren't so easily dealt with. We use vaccines. Again, a doctor could educate you.

If you can’t take the truth about how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process actually works,

Sure I can. I do understand it a lot better than I did when I first joined here. Alas, not with your help, as you tell only lies, and only a part of the overwhelming story at that. I'm sorry you don't understand Evolution. Maybe one day you will. In the mean time, why don't you run off to you creationist friends and whine 'Those evil nasty evolutionists won't believe my lies!'

run home and tell you mommy that a mean old creationist annoyed you when you were trying to celebrate Happy Survival of the Fittest Day.

I don't celebrate such false.. ahh.. occasions that you created. Maybe you're just upset that you aren't fit enough?

So you might as well ignore the most documented and studied text which has ever been written and make up whatever you want. That’s exactly what an evolutionist would do.

Who said I ignore it? Then again, it is obvious you only read those parts that you feel should apply to you, while ignoring all others. None of that being nice, turning the other cheek, or telling truth for you! No Sir!

Oh yes, you are correct. You are describing the dumb and dumber concepts that dominate the field of biology right now. I’ll let you decide which one is dumb and which one is dumber.

Oh Oh! I know the answer! Creationism and Intelligent Design! Except I don't describe them. Thats ok, Your lack of understanding continues to come to light.

 

[kleinman]

Annoying Creationists

Shallowmar,

Hooray! More insults, and attacks from an irrational creationist!

I’ve already annoyed you on your Happy Survival of the Fittest Day; watch out before I annoy you on your Merry Natural Selection Day.

People are dying from diseases subject to mutation and selection and evolutionists have failed to properly elucidate how this phenomenon works.

You know, this statement from you have always bothered me. And now I know why. Biologists, as in, people who study evolutionary theory, biology, life forms and the like, do just that. They study. They post their reports.

Annoying a naïve layman just doesn’t give the thrill that annoying someone with a PhD in mythematics like Adequate does but let’s see what the evidence is show about the treatment of influenza shows.
http://avianflu.futurehs.com/?p=2973

Importantly, the combination of ion channel and neuraminidase inhibitors in vitro reduced the emergence of resistance and may even act synergistically against influenza A viruses.19,20 Even low concentrations of oseltamivir prevented the emergence of amantadine resistant variants of the highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N1 virus isolated from Hong Kong in 1997.19 Combination therapy may also allow the use of a lower dose of ion channel inhibitors, which is known to reduce side effects.21

And

In conclusion, ion channel inhibitors could yet have an important role in our armoury against a future flu pandemic. To preserve their activity we recommend that they are not used as monotherapy or for prophylaxis against seasonal or avian influenza. Several countries including the US, the UK, and Greece are already stockpiling ion channel inhibitors. Other countries should consider following suit. As well as being cheap, these drugs are chemically stable, giving them a long shelf life.25 Combined antiviral therapy with neuraminidase inhibitors has the potential to reduce both their side effect profile and the likelihood of resistance. More clinical data are urgently needed to verify such an effect.

Now Shallowmar, I understand that you are a naïve layman and don’t know what influenza can do to a population but perhaps you should learn a little history. There was an influenza epidemic around 1920 that killed more people than World War One killed. If you don’t properly understand how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process actually works, maybe we can break that record. At least the scientist above understands how the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process actually works.

Shallowmar, do you remember the SARS scare a few years ago? I had quite a few patients come to me frightened about this episode. I asked them if they got their flu shot and most of them said “no”. I then asked them how many people died in the United States in the previous year from influenza and none had any idea. I had checked the CDC web site and there had been 60,000 deaths that year from influenza in the United States while SARS had only a few hundred deaths world wide. You naïve laymen need to work at getting your facts straight. Of course you have an excuse; you have no training or experience. On the other hand, evolutionists have college degrees and years of studying the mutation and selection sorting/optimization process. They still don’t get it right.

 

[joobz]

Really, you are sure that I am not a Christian? So you are more than a Wookie Weatherman, you are a mind reader.

No speculation. I'm simply going by your actions.

I don't think jesus would approve of a doctor who knowingly endangered their patients by using unsound medical practices. Indeed, evolutionary theory as explained by the concept of multiple constant selection pressures vs. variable pressures is used today by modern medicine to treat patients. A rejection of evolution would endanger millions of lives.

Would Jesus really want a doctor who openly contradicts evolution practice such unsafe medicine? Is that christian?