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Ann says Obama is an atheist not a Muslim

Is it necessary to make a story everytime this idiot says something?

Let's just assume anything Coulter, Beck, Robertson, or Moore or Penn says is going to be stupid.
 
Unfortunately, I've seen a few liberal/atheist bloggers make the same claim, too, usually based on nothing more than the reasoning that Obama seems like a smart, reasonable, liberal guy, therefore....

Christopher Hitchens has also expressed the opinion that Obama is (probably?) an atheist. At least Hitchens tried to provide some support, quoting certain passages in Obama's books that can be interpreted as an admission of nonbelief and as noting that joining a church was a political necessity.

And who knows, it could be true. It certainly strains credulity that only 1 of the 535 members of Congress is a nonbeliever, given that atheists are a higher proportion of the general population and an even higher proportion of the subset that has the educational background from which Congress is typically drawn. I don't doubt that a substantial number of politicians simply feign religiosity, for political reasons as well as the reasons some other atheists do (keeping the family happy, etc.)

But I'm not comfortable speculating about particular individuals. If Obama says he's a Christian, I'm prepared to take him at his word. (I'm certainly not going to give him "credit" for being an atheist if he's not willing to claim it!)
 
You know, we seem to be seeing arguments like this a lot recently. It's always the same thing; a Christian of some denomination decides to redefine 'Christian' to mean someone who shares their exact views on everything, and then calls everyone else 'atheists'.

I can't say I like it. To these people, 'atheist' doesn't mean someone who doesn't believe in a deity. It just means *******.
 
"All liberals are atheist"

Yep, this about sums up her shtick.





Dammit, I had almost forgotten she existed....
 
I thought his mother was a Unitarian - in which case, it's possible he was at least an agnostic at some point in his life, whether or not he actually is now. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a Christian due to political expediency.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if inside his own head Obama was a non-believer. He just comes off as so rational. Can you imagine him seriously saying (in a discussion that he knew would never leave the room and where he could state his true beliefs) something like "Jesus was crucified but then three days later, amazingly, he got up and walked out of the tomb. After that, his body rose into this place called Heaven, where everybodys spirit goes when they die, except for evil people, who instead go to Hell." It just doesn't seem like him.
 
Dunstan said:
Unfortunately, I've seen a few liberal/atheist bloggers make the same claim, too, usually based on nothing more than the reasoning that Obama seems like a smart, reasonable, liberal guy, therefore....

Christopher Hitchens has also expressed the opinion that Obama is (probably?) an atheist. At least Hitchens tried to provide some support, quoting certain passages in Obama's books that can be interpreted as an admission of nonbelief and as noting that joining a church was a political necessity.

And who knows, it could be true. It certainly strains credulity that only 1 of the 535 members of Congress is a nonbeliever, given that atheists are a higher proportion of the general population and an even higher proportion of the subset that has the educational background from which Congress is typically drawn. I don't doubt that a substantial number of politicians simply feign religiosity, for political reasons as well as the reasons some other atheists do (keeping the family happy, etc.)

But I'm not comfortable speculating about particular individuals. If Obama says he's a Christian, I'm prepared to take him at his word. (I'm certainly not going to give him "credit" for being an atheist if he's not willing to claim it!)
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Agreed, that back a couple of years ago when Obama was still The One, some athiest tried to claim him as one of their own with damn little evidence.
Let's face it, some atheist are as bad about stereotyping Religious believers as some relgious believers are bad about stereotyping athiests.
 
PolitiFact has an article on Obama's religion. It mainly tries to dispel the claim that he's Muslim, but it is relevant to people who think he might be atheist as well. Not only is Obama a Christian -- like so many other US politicians are Christians because they happen to have been born in Christian families -- he's a Christian by choice. He's a convert, and (sorry, Number Six) does occasionally talk about how superwonderful and amazing Jesus Christ is. If you want an atheist politician, you probably have to look for someone else; unless Obama is living lie, he's more Christian than most.
 
His dad was an atheist. He said his mom was a secular humanist (as if to say "and so am I.") I'll put my money on his atheism.
 
His being a atheist is actually believable... at least, the kind of atheist who doesn't particularly believe or disbelieve, because he doesn't think about the issue or really care what the answer is, and just calls himself Christian despite this lack of faith in order to go with the flow in the church and community.

He seldom says a word about religion, and when he does, it's either as it's related to something else that's the real original subject, or because somebody asked him, or to say something that sounds bad about his political opponents over it (such as that their religion, like their guns, is something cling to out of bitterness). And he lets out weird slips (such as the famous "My Muslim faith... no, I mean my Christian faith..." line) that sound like it just isn't on his mind much and isn't something he's used to having to express.

Most of all, after he picked a church to be a member of for years (and it was one that talks about politics more than religion anyway), and then it became public knowledge what a racist anti-American freak show that place is, his stumbling, bumbling, fumbling reaction (alternating between saying that he did know what had been preached there and that he didn't) showed a complete lack of preparation for the issue. Genuinely religious people expect their church and pastor(s) to be seen as reflections of themselves, and expect that any close examination of themselves will and must involve examination of the church and pastor(s), and thus expect that if they get into a position of any public scrutiny then of course they'll obviously be asked about various beliefs held & asserted by the church and pastor(s). To run for such a high political office and be so utterly clueless that something so obviously predictable is coming means that religion and the church must just not be something he really identifies himself with and feels connected to, or even has on his mind much at all.
 
Earthborn said:
he's a Christian by choice. He's a convert, and (sorry, Number Six) does occasionally talk about how superwonderful and amazing Jesus Christ is.
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Most politics will lie a way or another. Politics is after all not too far away from marketing : it is a way to lie to the one you want to sell something to get their vote (or money). In addition part of the population would rather see a lesbian black muslim as president rather than an atheist (OK I exagerate a bit but not by much). Therefore a small lie pretending to be a christian convert to pander to that type of population , is *expected*. In comparison to the broken-in-advance promise every politician does at every election, it is really not even a blimp in the radar.

So yeah. I can certainly imagine he is an atheist, as many in the congress are, and simply lie rather than come out of the closet and lose a huge part of their electorat.
 
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