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Aepervius said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_technique

read up on the reid technic it is a process where the polcie present you a story and give loaded question to ask you as if it could ahve wen this way, and when you agree they coerce out of you a confession it did go that way.

"The idea is that the person under interrogation must catch the hidden assumption and contest it to avoid the trap. "

I can see a foreigner which is not a natural in english falling in that trap easily.

Notably the original conviction where this was used fist was overturned.
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I'm aware of the technique. It just seems to me to be a bit speculative at this point. It could be that this happened, or maybe it didn't. There is no evidence one way or the other at this point. I haven't seen anything on whether the interview was recorded or not right now, quite possibly not, but who knows? Is the confession even the main bit of evidence that they have on her?
 
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She looks like a blonde Nina Hagen and Nina Hagen is pretty wack, so she probably did it.
 
What doesn't make much sense is why she 'confessed' in the first place. I mean, it would surely be quite difficult to prove she intended to kill him. Why not just stick to her story it was an accident? Hopefully there's some other strong evidence which led them to charge her, not just the confession.
 
Its going to be hard to judge this before the details of who the witnesses are and what they saw are public. At this point, I struggle to see that the police have made any obvious mistakes in the case.

If the witnesses saw what the newspapers claim, it might have seemed hard to stick to the accident story.
 
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shuttlt said:
Its going to be hard to judge this before the details of who the witnesses are and what they saw are public. At this point, I struggle to see that the police have made any obvious mistakes in the case.

If the witnesses saw what the newspapers claim, it might have seemed hard to stick to the accident story.
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That plus her diary. Note to self when planning my next murder - destroy the diary and all trace of those fishy google searches. Leave facebook.
 
More here, mostly about her odd behaviour afterwards. Questions:

1 why wasn't he wearing his life jacket
2 how would she know the weather would become ideal later in the day?

The article also says its normal for East Europeans to put on a front rather than show grief.
 
It will be certainly be interesting what concensus emerges from this thread.
One question that needs to be answered is why would two unlikely kayaking accidents happen at the same time? It is vanishingly unlikely, so her diary, the timing of the phone call, and the insurance policy scream guilt.
 
Samson said:
It will be certainly be interesting what concensus emerges from this thread.
One question that needs to be answered is why would two unlikely kayaking accidents happen at the same time? It is vanishingly unlikely, so her diary, the timing of the phone call, and the insurance policy scream guilt.
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I don't get that, Samson. The conditions were dangerously unfavourable. Why, if they were enough to capsize one boat would they not do for the other one?
 
anglolawyer said:
I don't get that, Samson. The conditions were dangerously unfavourable. Why, if they were enough to capsize one boat would they not do for the other one?
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Good question, and you know I hope she is innocent, because that's how I roll despite the truth being our only noble concern. I hope we have an experienced kayaker on the thread to describe this probability. I am uneasy about her story.:(
 
Samson said:
Good question, and you know I hope she is innocent, because that's how I roll despite the truth being our only noble concern. I hope we have an experienced kayaker on the thread to describe this probability. I am uneasy about her story.:(
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I don't find hoping very useful and don't usually get past just wondering until a lot more info comes to light. This one does not smell right to me but we need more data. There is enough that explains it as an accident. I don't see how she got him to not wear a life jacket. It took quite a while before the cops got interested. Did the witnesses who say she pushed him in (how do you do that, actually?) come forward at once of did their memories get to work later?

Oh and if he forced her to have threesomes, who with?
 
anglolawyer said:
I don't find hoping very useful and don't usually get past just wondering until a lot more info comes to light. This one does not smell right to me but we need more data. There is enough that explains it as an accident. I don't see how she got him to not wear a life jacket. It took quite a while before the cops got interested. Did the witnesses who say she pushed him in (how do you do that, actually?) come forward at once of did their memories get to work later?

Oh and if he forced her to have threesomes, who with?
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The problem is her capsise. Faced with a catastrophe like this, adrenaline would fuel a speedy and safe return to shore to raise the alarm. I can not buy into two kayak accidents happening like this independently.
 
Samson said:
Good question, and you know I hope she is innocent, because that's how I roll despite the truth being our only noble concern. I hope we have an experienced kayaker on the thread to describe this probability. I am uneasy about her story.:(
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I have kayaked once :D
I have canoed more extensively however and inexperienced people not being careful in bad conditions can cause a whole lot of grief.
Most of both the canoes and the one kayak I was on were unsinkable however with additional flotation built in.
 
I, too, have kayaked or canoed (er, what's the difference) a couple of times as a novice. The first time was against the tide on a windy day on the river Tamar in Devon (or whichever county it's in when it reaches the sea). I found it pretty tough going although I was never in danger. However, in rough, cold, overcast conditions, I can imagine it being no picnic.

Since they recovered both boats they could tell us what was wrong with his.
 
anglolawyer said:
Did the witnesses who say she pushed him in (how do you do that, actually?) come forward at once of did their memories get to work later?
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I've only seen one Mail article say she pushed him in. Are their other news sources claiming this?
 
John Nowak said:
Why is that a factor?

If Plan Kayak fails, she can try again with Plan Inline Roller Skates or Plan Explosive Golf Balls.
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Usually, when planning to murder someone, it's because you want them dead without incurring too much risk yourself. Multiple attempts and failed attempts increase the risk of discovery. That would be my guess.
shuttlt said:
I've only seen one Mail article say she pushed him in. Are their other news sources claiming this?
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I am not keeping track of who is reporting what, TBH. Just lobbing in here what I come across.
 
Desert Fox said:
...Most of both the canoes and the one kayak I was on were unsinkable however with additional flotation built in.
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Very much this. I wonder if his kayak didn't already have a faulty plug that was noticed but got the "nah, I'll fix it next time treatment". Also, how does an observer on the shore know when a kayak is capsized intentionally or by accident? Is there something obvious that needs to be done to capsize a kayak intentionally?
 
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