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Hard to believe that Angelika wanted Vinny, her Fiancè dead.
Heck, do I recall correctly that Angelika even wrote about it in her Diary? Wow!
Kinda reminds me of that Donald Trump tape,
where he mentions how he like to kiss them, grab them by their *****. The Donald nowadays seems to deny that he'd ever do this,
but, ah, there sure seems to be alotta gals out there that say otherwise...
You have read / heard the testimony of kayak instructors who have said that they should not have been in those types of kayaks in that weather? Apparently they have all been paid off to say so?
There are folks who get a thrill out of being on the water,
even when the wind blows, the waves are big, or choppy.
Be it surfing, kite-boarding, wind surfing, fishing, kayaking.
Any waterman knows this...
Here's a short video from out on The Hudson River,
showing me, others to who might be interested in this case we discuss,
what water conditions that evening were probably like as,
(what'd Angelika state in The Interrogation Room?) oh ya:
"the waves are doing their thing, up + down like that."
Funny thing is,
is that when ever I paddle the 'Fusion 124' kayak out there in similar conditions to that video linked above,
I do not have my very wide, (as Desert Fox likes to call it), open, un-skirted cock-pit seating area fill up with water from the wind driven choppy swells, err waves as they call 'em out on The River, crashing over and on board my seating area.
(Nor did the dude paddling homeward in the video linked above,
and he's paddling a Sit-Inside kayak, with-out a skirt, The kayak instructor Experts would be freaking!!!
Heck his GoPro was not even in a water casing, you can tell that by the loud sound of the wind blowing,
for if he did have it in a water proof casing, it'd be very muffled, safely inside.)
All I do is have my stern get constantly awash as I go up + down,
up + down as the waves do their thing.
With my Drain-Age Plug screwed in...
RW
When I watch that video I linked up above from out on The Hudson River
where a dude out fishing is pulling up his anchor, storing it, grasping his paddle and heading back to shore,
well the wind, which created all those lil' waves out there that he has to deal with on his safe paddle back to shore, well it sure sounds a lot louder, stronger, more powerfull than the wind heard on the evening that Vinny Viafore lost his life on The Hudson River when Angelika finally called 911 for help...
Here's a video of that 911 phone call, have a listen:
By the way,
I'm kinda into the wind.
Offshore, onshore, side-shore, even glass, I dig it all!
Here's a pic of ol' RW,
getting blown out to sea from an offshore breeze the day after Christmas last year,
in the 'Fusion 124' kayak with it's Drain-Age Plug firmly screwed in, (I'm blown out well past The Buoy, see if you can spot it) in winds that gusted up past the 14 miles an hour seen on the screen of a 'Davis WindScribe' as I personally measure the gusts out there and see how Vinny's model of kayak handles it...
As I've been out, in my 15ft 'Cobra Tourer' kayak,
in winds that I've also measured at 41 mph, well you might agree that I know a lil' bit about winds,
wind chop too from my last 7 years of paddling and/or sailing my kayaks. And I surf too.
So ah, ya, I like to dis-agree with The kayak instructor Experts in this case we discuss.
See ya next time...
RW
I found this one, with bits from the 911 call, and from the interview CCTV. They show all the relevant parts and the kayaks. You guys have all probably seen it.
What I get is that she has no problem with English, and there wasn't much wind.
I agree Shiner.
The Bannerman weather station has it gusting pretty hard out there, but I kinda think that Angelika had already paddled back close to the safety of the Plum Point area when she made that 911 call, the wind gust sounds do not seem to be blowing nearly as hard as what that fisherman dealt with. Even is she cupped her phone, you'd hear it gusting harder, I feel...
Have a look at this video if you can, IIRC it is from Monday April 20, 2015.
It shows us what wind and wave conditions were like out there on The Hudson River
as the police searched in vain for Vinny's body:
The wind did not die down overnight after Vincent lost his life, in fact, according to the Bannerman Island weather station wind charts, the winds were gusting even harder as they searched for him the next day than the evening before.
So those waves seen splashing against the Search+Rescue boats hull the next day should have been, in my humble opinion, larger right then, than when compared to what waves conditions would have been like when Viafore went into the water many hours previously.
There has been some speculation, IIRC,
that Angelika called 911 after Vincent had already drowned,
Was it a cold blooded cover-up?
I found this one, with bits from the 911 call, and from the interview CCTV. They show all the relevant parts and the kayaks. You guys have all probably seen it.
What I get is that she has no problem with English, and there wasn't much wind.
Her English is excellent. I find that with all russkys (that have the ability to travel), they are far better educated and interesting than the average redneck down under.
Arguing she was language challenged is a waste of time, she just loves to talk. As long as she didn't murder, I like her.
Whoa, whoa, whoa!?!
Watch this interesting TV News 12 video interview with Angelika,
recorded on Thursday, April 23rd, without that "cute"Detective Donnie DeQuarto being present, yet.
Surely Desert Fox,
you are not telling us in The Peanut Gallery(*)
that you now believe that Angelika Graswald is lying, right?
Watch this, linked below: Video: Fiancee's tearful interview before her arrest
Angelika,
when she gives us this TV interview,
has not even done her 11 Hour False Confession Interrogation yet! Desert Fox nowadays seemingly does not believe, apparently, that Angelika saw Vincent Viafore flip.
Hmmmm.
Yet Angelika, days earlier, had apparently already lied to police,
telling them about losing her cell phone out on The River during the 911 call when she herself,
"fell, or was that flipped, also, into The River as the rescue boat approached?
Strangely, from what I've read of The Huntley Hearing this past June,
Angelika, well she was supposedly seen on the rescue boat returning a phone call, and apparently, get this, the cell phone was heard ringing at the hospital where she was being treated for hypothermia, as a police officer was also questioning her about what had happened to Vinny out there so that they might find him.
Was Angelika lying about losing her cell phone?
My opinions only.
RW
(*) - The Peanut Gallery:
A peanut gallery was, in the days of vaudeville, a nickname for the cheapest (and ostensibly rowdiest) seats in the theater, the occupants of which were often known to heckle.[1]
The least expensive snack served at the theatre would often be peanuts, which the patrons would sometimes throw at the performers on stage to show their disapproval. The phrases "no comments from the peanut gallery" or "quiet in the peanut gallery" are extensions of the name.[1]
Yep, supposedly it was something like this...
Angelika told police she lost her cell phone when she went into the water.
BUT she was seen using a cell phone on the rescue boat, she apparently stated she tried to return a missed call.
And a cell phone was heard ringing at the hospital. Yet she said, IIRC, somehow that cell phone got lost at the hospital.
Odd this, maybe conflicting statements?
Don't know about it?
Read up from testimony at the Huntley Hearing.
It was courtroom testimony this past June to see if Angelika's 11 hour interrogation gets accepted in her Murder Trial.
Here is a link to most of the tweets from Nina Shutzman from the local newspaper, The Poughkeepsie Journal, interested folks might get better informed about this case we discuss: https://twitter.com/PoJoNSchutzman
Huntley Hearing tweets start at page 139 to page 498,
though there are still some tweets missing from Nina that I've read before that she has not added here yet to this collection...
From what I have read was that they were inexperienced. Also, I do not believe that they had taken a safety course or read any books on kayaking.
<snip>
Desert Fox,
Nowadays, many folks do not pay for expensive lessons or buy books to read at home. They can very easily read up, research information online on The WWW. Even watching YouTube videos can be very informative, there are plenty of instructors out there online that'll provide ya with info on kayaking safety. How do you think that I, RW 1st learned to climbed back aboard a kayak? From reading online, watching a few vidz, getting on the water, practicing. Might Vinny + Angelika have done this too?
Fun time:
Go YouTube and type this, ok? Re-entering a sit-inside kayak
1 of the 1st videos you might see posted is this, below, from 2011.
Might Vinny and Angelika have watched this video?
This shows 1 way to get back inside your kayak if you "flipped",
and have a paddling partner, a wing-man, or wing-girl, ok?
Heck,
if anyone who follows this case is curious about why Angelika probably un-screwed and then removed the locking screw from Vinny's kayak paddle, follow along with me, my next few posts here are kinda interesting...
If you clicked on the YouTube video I linked above,
well you'd also see other, suggested informative videos too.
Some will teach you how to climb back on board by yourself,
like I do in both my Sit-on-Top and Sit-Inside kayaks.
Good if you are limber, not too big a fella or gal.
Other rescue videos show how to use your kayak paddle and a dry bag for self rescue, good for a big guy or gal.
Pretty easy to do, you take out your dry bag, blow it up as you're in the water, attach it to your paddle,
place the paddle on your kayak for stability, and then climb back on board.
1 video headline, titled What not to do when you fall out of a kayak,
caught my eye.
It was shot up in cold water, brrrrr, in Alaska, in 2007.
I've wondered if Vinny or Angelika ever watched this video?
Here's the video:
This video is verrry informative.
You can see the guy deal with Cold Alaskan Water Shock,
but still he's functioning, breathing, exhaling, tryin' to self rescue,
but you just know that water is cooold!
See him re-right his kayak, get out + blow up his dry bag, attach it to his paddle, he almost nails it - gets it right, by climbing back on-board. But he falls off, try's it again, + again, but that cold water shock is starting to effect him, he's soon done for, exhausted in only under 3 minutes, needs help:
"Why don'tcha come get me".
* * * * *
You can just imagine that Vincent Viafore tried to do this too.
Get his kayak going, climb back aboard, if possible, gotta get outta the cooold 46° water.
Get back to shore. Can't do it. Finally needs help, Viafore yelled at Angelika, Call 911. Come get me...
If you watch the video I last linked,
the gal videoing, at the 1:34 mark, says:
"This isn't going to be good".
Hmmmm, sounds familiar, where have I read this before?
Oh ya, something similar from Angelika Graswald herself!
Angelika said:
“We were already in the water. I’m like, ‘Yo, where’s your plug. Are you kidding me? I was mad at him,” she told investigators. “His boat starting to get lower in the water… because of the waves, because of the plug not being in there… [The kayak] started to fill up, and I knew that the plug wasn’t in there. I was like ‘oh this is not good’.”
Esh, Wright even paddled out on The Hudson River
to show us that Vincent's paddle was still usable with-out the locking screw on it.
And I feel that if his paddle did fall apart,
Viafore could have paddled, albeit slowly, with only 1/2 of the 2 bladed paddle to use available, back to shore.
So why would Angelika remove the locking screw from Vincent's paddle?
Vincent Viafore was a big boy.
If his paddle did fall apart though,
he could not have then had a chance to perform a Paddle Self Rescue,
blowing up + using his Dry Bag + Paddle to help him climb back on board.
I am now of the opinion that Angelika did not remove the locking screw so that he could not paddle.
She removed the paddle locking screw so that Vincent could not self rescue in 46° water!
And when she had a chance, she just took his kayak paddle away from him,
paddle herself a bit away, battled her "Angels + Demons" and watched, for many minutes,
before calling 911.
It's getting late,
this is my last post for tonight,
Have a read - CBS News 48 Hours:
Graswald tells police she knew Viafore's kayak was missing its drain plug, which is supposed to cover a hole in his kayak. And she says while his kayak worked fine without it on the way out to the island in a calmer river, now with the waves, she was concerned about him.
"The waves are doing their thing, up and down like that," she motioned with her arms. "I saw that it started to fill up, and I knew that the plug wasn't there."
Then Viafore was suddenly in the water, holding his seat cushion that floats, Graswald says, his kayak and a dry bag. Angelika took his paddle and hooked it to her kayak.
"He's in the water, I have both paddles ... and the waves are pulling me away from him further and further. And that's when he yells, 'Call 911!'" she continued.
Viafore is holding his Coast Guard approved Type IV PFD which has straps,
he carried this PFD in his kayak apparently all the time, it can also be used for a seating cushion, or back protection in a kayak cock-pit seat.
So why did Vincent get his dry bag out as he held onto his PFD and his kayak?
To use it, with his paddle, for self rescue?
Why would Angelika have removed the locking screw from his paddle?
Or un-screw + then remove the drain-age plug from the low riding stern of her Fiancès kayak?
Because she had wanted him dead?
Didn't she write this in her Journal or Dear Diary, seen below*:
Betcha Angelika was kinda pissed off when Vinny broke off their 'engagement'.
Wonder if she was mad at him too for that?
What'd Angelika say say in The Interrogation? "Who proposes to somebody and then changes their mind?"
Hmmmm.
RW
I always take a dry bag with me. Inflated and between my knees. One of the beauties of sit in kayaks is not needing to lash stuff. It just wedges in under the deck.
I use a 15 litre one. Usually only has phone, wallet, keys, and a towel for padding. Sometimes a water bottle too. The whole point of it is too have a flotation device handy at all times. For yourself, or if someone needs your help.
I don't know how common that is in the states, but here I've seen many do it.
I always take a dry bag with me. Inflated and between my knees. One of the beauties of sit in kayaks is not needing to lash stuff. It just wedges in under the deck.
I use a 15 litre one. Usually only has phone, wallet, keys, and a towel for padding. Sometimes a water bottle too. The whole point of it is too have a flotation device handy at all times. For yourself, or if someone needs your help.
I don't know how common that is in the states, but here I've seen many do it.
Hi Shiner,
Glad for another kayakers input.
I have a Sea to Summit 13 liter 'Big River' Dry Bag,
pictured in your link above. Good bag, mine is yellow.
Directions:
To seal, roll at least 3 times and clip buckle.
Simple, and the bag will indeed hold air inside if need be, as you noted, for floatation.
I never keep my dry bag inflated, it's always rolled up + closed out there on the water,
best way to keep things, like electronics - a small DSLR, video camera or lens, cell phone, car keys with remote, ya know, dry out there when on the water.
Here's a pic of my dry bag next to my SPL waterhousing:
So recall for a moment that the main reason that Angelika and Vinny went out to Bannerman Island that fateful Sunday was for a sexy photo shoot. They had to have brought along a camera, right?
Where was it stored?
Just tossed into the kayak? Put in a plastic bag, maybe a couple even, wrapped in a towel? Or placed inside Vinny's blue Dry Bag, along with cell phone, his car keys maybe, rolled up tightly and then safety clipped closed?
Here's a pic of Vincent's blue kayak, facing the camera on the shore:
Vincent's blue Dry Bag can be seen standing up-right in the cock-pit seating area,
as too his blue Type IV Rescue PFD behind it.
Nice sized Dry Bag...
What happened to the Dry Bag?
Or any gear inside of it, like a camera, his cell phone, his car keys?
Might he have opened up his dry bag, quickly given these items to Angelika, as his kayak was sinking, half or all the way swamped with cooold water, so he could blow it up and try self rescue? If he did give Angelika any of those items, well that'd tell us that Angelika had to have gotten right next to him out there after he went into the waters of The Hudson River. Whatever the case may be, he could not self rescue and get his kayak going again, so he supposedly soon yelled at Angelika to call 911...
Interesting tidbit from reading Nina Schutzman's live courtroom Huntley Hearing tweets is that Angelika did indeed have Vincent's car keys, as noted by a police officer who gave her a ride to Vinny's Jeep after she got out of the hospital that night and the search for Vinny continued out there on the waters. The police officer couldn't apparently find his cell phone though, I wonder if there were photo's from Bannerman Island on it...
New York State Police Investigator Donald DeQuarto,
vs
Angelika Graswald
In this snippet from The Interrogation,
a person who kayaks and closely follows this case we discuss will note how vague Angelika is
when discussing what she did to help Vincent Viafore out there on The River:
Investigator DeQuarto:
You watched him drown. I know it's difficult. I know this.
Angelika Graswald:
No. I didn't just watch him drown. I tried to do something about it.
Investigator DeQuarto:
Now did you really want to save him?
Angelika Graswald:
Yeah. Yeah. Somehow.
If he did not say call 911, I would have ******* paddled the **** out of myself and got to him somehow.
Investigator DeQuarto:
That's a little different from when you told me earlier though. Why?
Etc.
If Angelika had been given Vincent's car keys, or his cellphone, or a camera from Vincent's Dry Bag before he inflated it to try, while using his paddle, and climb back onto and into his capsized kayak that she says he flipped, or she had even tried to buddy up her kayak next to his, stabilizing it enough so he might climb back aboard his kayak and escape the cold 46°water, she would have been right next to him. Well why doesn't Angelika tells of this?
In my kayaking opinion,
Angelika has always been pretty vague about what happened out there
and is hiding many details about what really went down on The Hudson River that evening.
I wonder why?
RW
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