And the boats keep coming

These people are paying thousands to "migrate" elsewhere. They are not genuine refugees. They are economic migrants. Do you even know what a refugee is?
 
amb said:
These people are paying thousands to "migrate" elsewhere. They are not genuine refugees. They are economic migrants. Do you even know what a refugee is?
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yeah lets sink their ships, what do those people think they are? wanting a better life for them self? how dare they.
 
I don't think people are giving the Howard Government enough credit for reducing the numbers of asylum seekers worldwide!

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Sceptic-PK said:
I don't think people are giving the Howard Government enough credit for reducing the numbers of asylum seekers worldwide!

[qimg]http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/unhcr.jpg[/qimg]
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A really relevant image would be the numbers of boat arrivals during the period.

I would also like to have a closer look at the numbers for Australia NZ. Given the very small numbers on the graph compared to the larger ones elsewhere the lines could easily be distorted. Do you have some raw data?

Here is a link to a bar graph (I am unable to get it to post for some reason, perhaps someone would be so kind?) from today's Herald Sun.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/asylum-seekers-left-for-dead/story-fn7x8me2-1226224983135

The graph is about half way down.
 
amb said:
They are not genuine refugees. They are economic migrants. Do you even know what a refugee is?
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That's a myth that I'm sure we've covered before. Boat arrivals are much more likely to be found to be genuine refugees than any other form of asylum seeker, with rates as high as 85% - 95% of all entrants being assessed as genuine.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
A really relevant image would be the numbers of boat arrivals during the period.

I would also like to have a closer look at the numbers for Australia NZ. Given the very small numbers on the graph compared to the larger ones elsewhere the lines could easily be distorted. Do you have some raw data?

Here is a link to a bar graph (I am unable to get it to post for some reason, perhaps someone would be so kind?) from today's Herald Sun.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/asylum-seekers-left-for-dead/story-fn7x8me2-1226224983135

The graph is about half way down.
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Sorry Alfie I don't have the raw data, but it was compiled in a report by UNHCR. I'm sure if you really cared you could find which report. It was from an article available here:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/09/06/what-happened-as-a-result-of-tpvs-and-the-pacific-solution/
 
One can use graphs and charts to their hearts content, each can make a case for her/his argument. The facts are though, that come election time the general public won't care about any graphs. They will perceive that under Labor the floodgates have been opened.
And rightly so.
 
Amb, how would it be "rightly so" if the graphs demonstrate otherwise? Can't you see the glaring contradictions in your flimsy sensationalism?
 
It's horrible people come here on boats. I still wish they stopped it in the 1950s and 1960s
 
amb said:
One can use graphs and charts to their hearts content, each can make a case for her/his argument. The facts are though, that come election time the general public won't care about any graphs. They will perceive that under Labor the floodgates have been opened.
And rightly so.
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In other words, you'e not going to let a little thing like evidence get in the way of you maintaining your preconceived prejudices?
 
It's one thing to be right.

It's another thing to convince others of that. Labor arent doing this.
 
bit_pattern said:
If you want to go after the real smugglers, the money men in Indonesia and Malaysia, then I'm all for it. Prosecute the **** out of those guys.
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I think this is something that everyone would agree on. The problem is that the issue is focused more on punishing the asylum seekers (especially in comparison to those who arrive by plane and apply for asylum) instead of trying to take down these networks.

But jailing impoverished fishermen who have been employed to make the journey and using policies like destroying boats which can lead to only one result, the use of cheaper more disposable boats and the sinking of more vessels.
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That's what's making me wonder why they were putting so many people on this boat. Perhaps there's a dearth of available boats since the fishermen know that they're going to be jailed and lose their boats and that at present there's more money to be made in fishing than carrying asylum seekers?

It's a better idea than what the sick bastards on your side of the debate propose, the jailing and mental torture of men women and children in extralegal hellholes in the middle of the Pacific as a deterrent to others, because you're oh-so human and all :rolleyes:
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Well considering a court case in back in 2010 you aren't allowed to make the hell holes extralegal. But then certain posters believe that asylum seekers shouldn't be allowed access to the courts.

Sceptic-PK said:
Sorry Alfie I don't have the raw data, but it was compiled in a report by UNHCR. I'm sure if you really cared you could find which report. It was from an article available here:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/09/06/what-happened-as-a-result-of-tpvs-and-the-pacific-solution/
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The graph in that Crikey article came from Asylum Levels and Trends in Industrialised Countries 2010: Statistical Overview of Asylum Applications Lodged in Europe and Selected Non-European Countries.

But Alfie already knows about this graph and the report. He said that the trend during the period of the Pacific Solution is irrelevant because of something that happened between 2008-2010.
 
Why don't both sides (Labor, Conservatives) bite the bullet, eat humble pie etc etc, and pass a bill to allow the Malaysia solution and if and when there are too many boats and the Malaysian solution quota is up then transfer the remainder to Naura.
Have a Malaysian and Naura solution.
 
wombatwal said:
Why don't both sides (Labor, Conservatives) bite the bullet, eat humble pie etc etc, and pass a bill to allow the Malaysia solution and if and when there are too many boats and the Malaysian solution quota is up then transfer the remainder to Naura.
Have a Malaysian and Naura solution.
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Yup. Agreed.
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-boats-last-week/story-fn3dxity-1226226491738
PM wrote to Abbott about boats last week

PRIME Minister Julia Gillard wrote to Opposition Leader Tony Abbott just days before the weekend sinking of an asylum seeker boat, offering to recall Parliament to pass new border security laws.

But Mr Abbott knocked back the approach saying it was pointless because the coalition did not support the Government's people swap plan with Malaysia.
Immigration Minister Chris Bowen today revealed the Prime Minister wrote to Mr Abbott last Wednesday saying she would take steps to recall Parliament to consider changes to the Migration Act if the Opposition would indicate its support.
Ms Gillard wrote that it would be pointless, however, to have a talkfest and she wanted some assurance government legislation would pass.
She also suggested Mr Bowen meet Opposition Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison to come up with a "mutually satisfactory outcome".
Mr Abbott wrote back on Friday, according to Mr Bowen, saying there wasn't much point in further private discussions between the two spokespeople.
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