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[Tex2]

My supermarket has good quality prime stuff. I can find both dry and wet aged prime steaks around here. Omaha does have some fine steaks though as long as you order the prime stuff.

Good for you. Do you think everyone else in the country has the same situation?

 

[Tex2]

Other than anecdotes, I can really only verify that a few people made a fortune off of amway. Dick DeVos, for example. He's more filthy rich than god. Occasionally tries to get into politics. Ran for governor of my state once and lost. Throws money around to get his name on things like museums and art galleries. Everyone else is just drinking the kool-aid. >>>> What do you define as a "fortune"?

This business plan simply isn't how money is made, except for the folks at the top, and any 'run your own small business' manual would make that obvious. For example, my wife owns a business that manufactures tents and awnings. She's buying raw materials directly from the company that weaves them, employing herself and a couple other machine operators, and creating a product with a value and a market. None of this upline and downline cattle waste. >>>> You're largely correct, thanks to the tool scam. Do you realize you work your way to the top? That's how the business plan is shown. There are plenty of other people outside of MLM that make a living without operating a sewing machine.

We wouldn't make money buying from a 'middle man' distributor in order to set ourselves up as another middle man to resell to yet another group of distributors we had to recruit. We wouldn't buy from a redistributor at all, since they'd charge more and be harder to work with. We need 'right now' delivery, since part of the business model is to minimize stale raw materials by right time deliveries and rapid fabrication to order. >>>> See above.

Compare this to what people do here: moving projuct around till some poor schmuck gets stuck with it and ends up warehousing it in their garage, then finding new schmucks to buy and warehouse product. I've got a neighbor with a garage AND a basement full of inventory with no market and no potential to profit. She keeps hoping that somehow she'll be able to move this load of cattle waste, but if it sells at all it sells poorly because it ends up being marked up again and again as it moves down the line, and it's not neccesarily a better product than anything else out there. Her only option would be to lie to someone gullible and convince them, using all the helpful visual aids provided by the company, that THEY can make money selling this stuff, and move it into someone else's garage.
A

Your neighbor is probably breaking the 70% rule. Do her a favor and tell her.

 

[Tex2]

Actually, there is an important group of economists which DOES consider "paying less" the same as "profit".

For example, they argue that if you buy something at 50% off, you saved 50% -- which mean you made 50% profit -- which you then use to buy it at 50% of the price, which means you got it for free!

They're known as "women".

If that was what we were talking about, you would have a point. As calculated by Newton, that is a small part of what we're talking about, so you have a very small point.

 

[Tex2]

I thought they were known as 'wal mart shoppers'. Classic cases of buying something you don't need because it's cheap. I've known lots of people who fell into this fallacy. I've also known business managers who regarded failure to move product at its desired mark up as a loss. If I had the option of moving one unit of product a day at a 100 percent markup or ten units of product a day at a 20 percent markup, I'd choose the latter, even if the 'suggested retail price' was based on the 100 percent markup.

A

In most cases, I would agree with you, you're making twice as much gross profit, at least in the short term.

 

[oggiesnr]

I am reminded of a very old joke about the son of a work study expert who always walked to school and proudly announced one evening "Daddy, daddy. Instead of just walking to school today I ran behind behind a bus and so I saved a pound I could have spent on a bus fare."

"Very good" said the expert, "but tomorrow run behind a taxi and save five pounds!"

Steve

 

[Porkchopjim]

Stand by....LOL

You've been saying that for quite some time. That almost sounds like an Amway excuse to me. Of course, Texcuse!

Well, Texie – let’s just look at your resume and give it some sunlight, shall we?

1. On the ‘proven’ 3-5 year plan to financial freedom, after the first 12 years you had no more than 10 people in your group – ever, and with conservative ‘system’ and ‘business’ costs of $3K per year…even you can do the math on that one. Maybe.

2. Sometime in year 12, you ‘discovered’ the ‘tool scam’…about 10-20 years after everyone else did.

3. You drove away your last remaining couple by hounding them with ‘tool scam facts.’ They rightfully tried to flee but you prevented them from doing so. They continued their Amway business with someone else.

4. You bought over 10,000 used tools on e-Bay to begin the “Tex Tool System” – except you don’t have a group. Oh – that also cost you $2K for your used ‘tools’.

5. You wrote a letter to Mr. Amway himself, DeVos, proclaiming that you were going to ‘save Amway’ on his behalf and begging him for support.

6. You wrote some rambling, incoherent statement on an FTC comment board (on an issue that had to do with MLM … but certainly not about ‘tools’) to which you attached your ‘Saving Amway’ letter. Still visible today for anyone interested: just search for ‘kingpin’ on the FTC website.

7. You started spamming websites to tell people the ‘facts’ about the ‘tools scam’…on anti-Amway sites who already know about the ‘tool scam’. When discredited and shown to be incorrect on several aspects of the Amway business – and real business – you blatantly broke forum rules, were banned, and then you threatened lawsuits and other attacks.

8. You proved your mettle coming face to face with sworn enemies in Prague, where you were meek and ineffective. Upon return, you found your courage again and returned to threatening them.

9. Someone else set up a ‘blog’ for you – after 14 years as an internet entrepreneur, you couldn’t do it yourself. It is incoherent and unreadable – a direct reflection of your abilities.

10. You’ve been banned from countless internet sites for breaking the rules and being abusive.

11. You have google alert set up to alert you of any Amway discussion so you can go charging in to ‘expose’ the ‘tool scam’ – already known. You quickly digress to name-calling when you’re shown to be incorrect on any manner of things… which is reflected here.

12. You’ve tried to inject yourself into numerous legal dealings with Amway – promising ‘many valuable facts’ – and those unfortunate enough to pay attention to you (some actual lawyers and government officials) quickly learn that all your ‘facts’ are common, public information and you have nothing to offer. Soon ignored, you consider just that you got some attention a badge of accomplishment.

13. You’ve driven 1,300 miles (round trip) to attend an Amway function with the intent of cornering ‘big-pins’ and getting more ‘facts’ about the ‘tool scam.’ Failed. You attended another function in your area about a month later with the same results. You did, however, complain about the lack of white people there.

14. In keeping with #13, you are quick to toss out racial slurs to include “nappy-headed ho” and “Jew-boy”. You claim your many black friends enjoy you doing that.

15. Being deprived of the power and influence a downline would provide you, you cajole people into ‘conference calls’ which are forums where you get to talk as if you were leading an actual Amway group in the manner of ‘night-owls.’ No one has ever reported those ‘conference calls’ as being anything beneficial or effective.

16. You cannot identify what the original complaint was in the UK Amway matter.

17. You think that you make a profit simply from buying Amway products. You did not know that you have to sell something in order to actually make a profit.

That is extremely impressive! Most folks would call that not even rising to the level of ‘virtually nothing’ and more along the lines of ‘full blown kook-idiot.’

Did I miss anything? You can CLAIM that everything above is incorrect, but it’s not.

Which one of those are you the proudest of? It's a long list of undistinguished efforts, I must say!

Your 'Amway tools' have effectively taught you to fool yourself into thinking you are something you are not. No one else is fooled, though.

So far, I haven't done 'one lie' against you, Texie. You've already been caught trying that Texcuse here.

 

[Bob Klase]

I've have a great way to get rich. Just get Walmart to establish a price of $10,000 on each item they sell. Then they can put everything on sale at the old (current) prices and you'll have a gross profit of thousands of dollars for every item you buy. Since the only expenses will be gas to and from the store and a few minutes of your time, your net profit should make you a millionaire in just a couple weeks.

 

[snoop_doxie]

Tex2, I have bolded your responses to my post to you.

Hello Tex2,
I guess the question by Icerat (bolded and italicized by me) was misunderstood by me? Thank you for demanding I get a grip.
>>>> You're welcome. LOL

Okay Tex2, you will not address what icerat said about Coca-Cola competing with 7-11. My grip is good enough to get that you and icerat are completely brainwashed by Amway. (Oh! forgot to say -"without the tool scam!")

My analogy about Bigfoot was meant to point out that your customers (downliners) are just as real as Bigfoot. In other words, without proof they do not exist. See?
>>>> I don't need to prove anything to you, you can't even read for comprehension. LOL

No, you certainly don't have to prove anything to me. I can read and comprehend well enough to get the gist of Porkchopjim's recent post. I will take his word for it, okay?

How many customers do you have?
>>>> Enough. Even if I told you, how would I "prove" it to you anyway? LOL

That is a good question. I might have just taken your word for it, if not for your many posts here.
Your posts are aggressive, rude and dismissive. If I ever had a doubt that Amway (with or without the tool scam) was a pyramid scheme, you removed that doubt with your postings here.
I don't think you are laughing out loud (LOL) every time you finish one of your awesome quips. I think you are a little hysterical. You sound desperate to prove something, and if Amway was such a good deal, it wouldn't need your frantic postings to help them. Just my opinion. No laughing here Tex2

 

[NewtonTrino]

A bonus doesn't represent any kind of operating profit. Sure you can call it "gross profit" but that really is a useless measure as it doesn't factor in any expenses other than cogs.

 

[Tex2]

I am reminded of a very old joke about the son of a work study expert who always walked to school and proudly announced one evening "Daddy, daddy. Instead of just walking to school today I ran behind behind a bus and so I saved a pound I could have spent on a bus fare."

"Very good" said the expert, "but tomorrow run behind a taxi and save five pounds!"

Steve

This is a very poor analogy, as many of the products Amway offers are already purchased by consumers.

 

[ysabella]

A what? That sounds weird.

I sing in a trio. We regularly get gigs where we just walk around to sing a cappella to crowds - at the racetrack, or in this case it was at the AVMA convention in Seattle.

What, no comments on her experience? This is a very supportive data point. I guess the real question is whether the mascara was worth the cost. Was it?

Pros: went on easily, stayed on well, didn't irritate eyes
Cons: smelled strongly of solvent (not on, just in the container), mail-order only

I'm on the it's-not-quite-worth-it side, but that's for me, personally. I will go on and try some other brand when I need the next one.

But since the discussion going on when we talked about mascara was whether Amway's products were awful, I do want to point out that it's perfectly fine mascara, and not awful.

 

[Tex2]

I've have a great way to get rich. Just get Walmart to establish a price of $10,000 on each item they sell. Then they can put everything on sale at the old (current) prices and you'll have a gross profit of thousands of dollars for every item you buy. Since the only expenses will be gas to and from the store and a few minutes of your time, your net profit should make you a millionaire in just a couple weeks.

Great idea Bob. Let us know how it works out for you by early September. LOL

 

[Tex2]

Tex2, I have bolded your responses to my post to you.





Okay Tex2, you will not address what icerat said about Coca-Cola competing with 7-11. My grip is good enough to get that you and icerat are completely brainwashed by Amway. (Oh! forgot to say -"without the tool scam!") >>>> Do YOU think Coke is competing with 7-11? LOL





No, you certainly don't have to prove anything to me. I can read and comprehend well enough to get the gist of Porkchopjim's recent post. I will take his word for it, okay? >>>> You are free to believe whatever trash you choose to believe, it doesn't matter to me. LOL





That is a good question. I might have just taken your word for it, if not for your many posts here. >>>> I know the drill, you have already made up your mind. LOL
Your posts are aggressive, rude and dismissive. If I ever had a doubt that Amway (with or without the tool scam) was a pyramid scheme, you removed that doubt with your postings here. >>>> How does being aggrressive, rude or dismissive mean something is a pyramid scheme? LOL
I don't think you are laughing out loud (LOL) every time you finish one of your awesome quips. I think you are a little hysterical. You sound desperate to prove something, and if Amway was such a good deal, it wouldn't need your frantic postings to help them. Just my opinion. No laughing here Tex2

I do laugh out loud, you guys are hilariously clueless. LOL I'm not here to promote Amway as a good deal, you have a loss of big picture accident. LOL

 

[Tex2]

A bonus doesn't represent any kind of operating profit. Sure you can call it "gross profit" but that really is a useless measure as it doesn't factor in any expenses other than cogs.

It's not a useless measure, but it is one very important piece of a puzzle that needs to have more pieces to see the entire picture. I never tried calling gross profit operating profit, I called it gross profit. LOL

 

[Tex2]

I sing in a trio. We regularly get gigs where we just walk around to sing a cappella to crowds - at the racetrack, or in this case it was at the AVMA convention in Seattle. >>>> I had no idea what it was, but assumed it was a "stress test" for the mascara.




Pros: went on easily, stayed on well, didn't irritate eyes
Cons: smelled strongly of solvent (not on, just in the container), mail-order only >>>> I don't wear mascara, but don't think I would sniff the container if I did. LOL

I'm on the it's-not-quite-worth-it side, but that's for me, personally. I will go on and try some other brand when I need the next one. >>>> Did you buy it at IBO cost or retail cost? Did you pay for shipping?

But since the discussion going on when we talked about mascara was whether Amway's products were awful, I do want to point out that it's perfectly fine mascara, and not awful.

Oh yes, the original discussion. Now we have 2 products, the mascara and water filter, that appear to be very good values. Any of you who allow "poor quality", "crap", "bad" etc., product comments to be posted here are being intellectually dishonest in not pushing back.

 

[NewtonTrino]

I personally do not like the products. I can't judge makeup but makeup is an industry rife with woo and overpriced image based product. Same with vitamins and supplements.

 

[Tex2]

I personally do not like the products. I can't judge makeup but makeup is an industry rife with woo and overpriced image based product. Same with vitamins and supplements.

Who cares whether you like the products? You just read a neutral judgment of the mascara, just admit it was a very positive quality rating. You have also been given a water filter "Best Buy" review from a major consumer company. The vitamins have been around for about 70 YEARS, and it took until only a few years ago for the AMA to agree vitamin supplements and other supplements, such as the Omega-3 fish oil, are good for you. You are clueless. LOL

 

[Almo]

Who cares whether you like the products? You just read a neutral judgment of the mascara, just admit it was a very positive quality rating.

She said it was good, but not worth the hassle of the ordering method. Which in my mind means it's good, but not amazing or she'd want more of it.

I personally never said Amway products were bad. I said they were overpriced in order to feed the weight of the upline.

Pyramid.

 

[NewtonTrino]

Looks among the number of products they produce I'm sure some of them are good.

Comparing makeup is pretty hard IMHO and makeup and vitamins are both areas that have a ton of overpriced margin built in.

I'm defintely not a fan of any of the soap products.

And they are definitely overpriced.

All my opinion. I think the sales to NON IBO's show how popular the products are. Which is to say NOT popular with people who aren't IBO's. Whether that's the ordering method, quality, price or whatever.

 

[Tex2]

She said it was good, but not worth the hassle of the ordering method. Which in my mind means it's good, but not amazing or she'd want more of it. >>>> Does she realize mascara is supposed to be changed out periodically, I think it's every 3 months, whether it is used up or not, in order to prevent growth of viruses/bacteria that can cause eye damage? An auto shipment would eliminate the need for any hassle. Get a clue.

I personally never said Amway products were bad. I said they were overpriced in order to feed the weight of the upline.

Pyramid.

You aren't aware of the recent price reductions, either. There is also strong rumors there are even more drastic price cuts to come. You're operating on old information. Get a grip. The upline makes FAR more from the tool scam, you're concentrating on the wrong problem. Get some facts and process them, if you can! LOL