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[Tex2]

These guys aren't businessmen -- they do about as much business in six months as Joe Schmoe's convenience store does in half of a slow day.

They are playing at being businessmen -- in reality they are just Amway's suckers.

You should change your name to Clueless. LOL

 

[Tex2]

I concur. It's a religious cult based around money. The idea being it's a magical shortcut that "anyone" can do in their "spare" time. Sorry but those are lies as is the description of the business model given to the recruits.

Another cluless remark. Too bad the name Clueless has already been taken. How about Clueless2?

 

[NewtonTrino]

How about you come back when you've made a profit?

You are seriously going to sit here and call use clueless when you've been wasting your time on this crap and not even making a buck?

You are being scammed and brainwashed.

BTW just to be clear on the brainwashing, I'm not claiming some sort of secret conspiracy using CIA drugs or something. It's brainwashing in the same way thay many kids are brought up to believe their parents religion and are indoctrinated into it. When you join Amway more than likely you will be indoctrinated using the meetings, cd's, books etc. They are very convincing and many people simply get sucked into the cult and start believing it. The people setting this up are not dumb and really know how to manipulate people (in the same way religions are good at it). Amway has a slightly higher bar because they can't get at most children...

 

[Drudgewire]

Hey thanks to whoever gave out the Merchants of Deception link. Really interesting stuff even though I got douchechills from the author about twenty times reading it.

 

[Tex2]

How about you come back when you've made a profit? >>>> How about you come back when you get a clue? LOL

You are seriously going to sit here and call use clueless when you've been wasting your time on this crap and not even making a buck? >>>> I've been making bucks. LOL

You are being scammed and brainwashed. >>>> You are being ignorant and clueless. LOL

BTW just to be clear on the brainwashing, I'm not claiming some sort of secret conspiracy using CIA drugs or something. >>>> That's a relief! LOL

It's brainwashing in the same way thay many kids are brought up to believe their parents religion and are indoctrinated into it. >>>> So everyone on this forum having religious beliefs are brainwashed? I'll bet the others are too wimpy to call your BS on this one. LOL

When you join Amway more than likely you will be indoctrinated using the meetings, cd's, books etc. >>>> When you join college more than likely you will be indoctrinated using the classroom, textbooks, etc. LOL

They are very convincing and many people simply get sucked into the cult and start believing it. >>>> Colleges are also very convincing and many people simply get sucked into their major and start believing it. LOL

The people setting this up are not dumb and really know how to manipulate people (in the same way religions are good at it). >>>> Another religioius slam. I couldn't care less what you think about my religion, atheist. LOL

Amway has a slightly higher bar because they can't get at most children...

College has a slightly higher bar because they can't get at most children....LOL

 

[Tex2]

Hey thanks to whoever gave out the Merchants of Deception link. Really interesting stuff even though I got douchechills from the author about twenty times reading it.

If you liked that book, check out the tool scam facts, the root cause of the problems described in the book, here: http://texsquixtarblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/9-steps-of-truth.html

 

[NewtonTrino]

College has a slightly higher bar because they can't get at most children....LOL

This analogy doesn't make any sense. Care to explain in more detail?

 

[Tex2]

This analogy doesn't make any sense. Care to explain in more detail?

Not really, you're a waste of my time. LOL

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

Ok, whoever wrote the Tex2 reply bot, needs to tweak the algorithm. It's stuck on posting "LOL" at the end of every single post.

 

[Tex2]

Ok, whoever wrote the Tex2 reply bot, needs to tweak the algorithm. It's stuck on posting "LOL" at the end of every single post.

It's not an algorithm problem, it's a physical laugh, out loud, that occurs as I type my responses. LOL Just to be clear, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing AT you. LOL More great content for IBO training. LOL Do you guys realize how "famous" you are? LOL

 

[Skeptic]

I've been making bucks. LOL

How much? You're always incredibly vague on that. I am willing to bet good money you didn't actually break $1000 of profit last year.

 

[Tex2]

How much? You're always incredibly vague on that. I am willing to bet good money you didn't actually break $1000 of profit last year.

Wouldn't you like to know. LOL Maybe you could find out more with a phone call, if you had the guts to call! LOL

 

[cyborg]

Wouldn't you like to know. LOL Maybe you could find out more with a phone call, if you had the guts to call! LOL

Ah yes, because a phone call is clearly necessary in order to convey simple numerical information.

Oh wait, I forgot, it's not simple, it's all very complex and requires an in-depth explanation that only an interactive phone call can achieve.

 

[Tex2]

Ah yes, because a phone call is clearly necessary in order to convey simple numerical information. >>>> No, a phone call is necessary to stop you making a fool out of yourself in writing. LOL

Oh wait, I forgot, it's not simple, it's all very complex and requires an in-depth explanation that only an interactive phone call can achieve.

It's simple, YOU just can't absorb it. LOL

 

[cyborg]

It's simple, YOU just can't absorb it.

Ah, much like an Amway kitchen towel.

 

[icerat]

Hey thanks to whoever gave out the Merchants of Deception link. Really interesting stuff even though I got douchechills from the author about twenty times reading it.

I did too when I read it. I got infuriated at the guys upline. Then I got further infuriated because people read that book and think it's a typical Amway experience.

It's not even close to my experience, and given how few complaints there are about Amway, relative to those who've had experience, simple logic would suggest it's not close to most people experiences.

Anyway, time to exit this thread again. Let's summarize.

Critic's claim:
1. the products are lousy
Reality:
the products are great and have won heaps of awards
2. hardly anybody makes any money
Reality:
this is true, only people who work hard and try to make money make money, a minority.
3. it's a pyramid
Reality:
you make no money by recruiting people, which is the key requirement to be a pyramid
4. there's no "real" customers
Reality:
There's lots of "real" customers. Actively building ABOs usually have many customers, and numerous examples have been given. Furthermore, as governments around the world have acknowledged, ABOs buying stuff for their own use (as opposed to stuffing it in their garage) are as "real" a customer as anyone else

I'll probably have to be back to repeat this in a few weeks as this thread seems to never die. Try ignoring Tex, that's what I do.

 

[Tex2]

I did too when I read it. I got infuriated at the guys upline. Then I got further infuriated because people read that book and think it's a typical Amway experience. >>>> His description isn't much different than what I've seen written about N21/Jim Dornan. In fact, Jim Dornan was the ONLY one who had to withdraw a letter after the UK blowup. You remember that letter, icerat/insider/ibofb. It's the one you posted, took down, reposted, and took down again. It is now "memorialized" on various blogs.

It's not even close to my experience, and given how few complaints there are about Amway, relative to those who've had experience, simple logic would suggest it's not close to most people experiences. >>>> That's because you suffer from the Stockholm syndrome. Most people don't complain, they just walk away and don't want to even think about it any more. They also believe the BS it was THEIR fault they didn't succeed.

Anyway, time to exit this thread again. Let's summarize.

Critic's claim:
1. the products are lousy
Reality:
the products are great and have won heaps of awards >>>> No argument here, but many are still overpriced.
2. hardly anybody makes any money
Reality:
this is true, only people who work hard and try to make money make money, a minority. >>>> The reason for this being true is the tool scam.
3. it's a pyramid
Reality:
you make no money by recruiting people, which is the key requirement to be a pyramid >>>> That doesn't mean it isn't a tool scam.
4. there's no "real" customers
Reality:
There's lots of "real" customers. Actively building ABOs usually have many customers, and numerous examples have been given. Furthermore, as governments around the world have acknowledged, ABOs buying stuff for their own use (as opposed to stuffing it in their garage) are as "real" a customer as anyone else >>>> In the U.S., there aren't nearly enough customers, so your "usually" word is BS. Numerous examples does not mean typical, and you know that. The U.S. policy is still unclear on the definition of a customer, and non-IBO customers do provide obvious competitive price protection.

I'll probably have to be back to repeat this in a few weeks as this thread seems to never die. Try ignoring Tex, that's what I do.

Keep ignoring me, I love getting in the last word. LOL

Still can't address the Bruce Anderson example, can you? LOL

 

[Bob Klase]

To sum up the extent of valuable information Tex is providing, I thought it might help to consolidate some of his posts. His last twelve:

If price alone was the only factor, the partner stores I mentioned would no longer be in business. Do you really believe price is the ONLY factor? Never mind, I already know the answer, CynicalSkeptic! LOL

Answer: It doesn't matter what the MLM is, Newton is crazy. LOL

You should change your name to Clueless. LOL

Another cluless remark. Too bad the name Clueless has already been taken. How about Clueless2?

College has a slightly higher bar because they can't get at most children....LOL

If you liked that book, check out the tool scam facts, the root cause of the problems described in the book, here: http://texsquixtarblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/9-steps-of-truth.html

He must have been distracted on that one- he forgot to LOL.

Not really, you're a waste of my time. LOL

It's not an algorithm problem, it's a physical laugh, out loud, that occurs as I type my responses. LOL Just to be clear, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing AT you. LOL More great content for IBO training. LOL Do you guys realize how "famous" you are? LOL

Wouldn't you like to know. LOL Maybe you could find out more with a phone call, if you had the guts to call! LOL

It's simple, YOU just can't absorb it. LOL

More like your brain on drugs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl5gBJGnaXs or this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyXFN4ocN_o

Keep ignoring me, I love getting in the last word. LOL

 

[Tex2]

To sum up the extent of valuable information Tex is providing, I thought it might help to consolidate some of his posts. His last twelve:













He must have been distracted on that one- he forgot to LOL.

You should have also posted what these comments were in response to! LOL LOL (that makes up for the one I "forgot".) LOL

 

[Porkchopjim]

I did too when I read it. I got infuriated at the guys upline. Then I got further infuriated because people read that book and think it's a typical Amway experience.

A well earned reputation by Amway, even given your 'personal experience' – and seeing as you've never tried to 'build the business' to anything that might support you (never mind retire on the beach), we can pretty much ignore that as the typical 'slacker' experience.

Anyway, time to exit this thread again. Let's summarize.

Critic's claim:
1. the products are lousy
Reality:
the products are great and have won heaps of awards

Reality: critics claim the products are overpriced because of two reasons: the 34% mark-up required to pay bonuses, and the demand for those products – and thus their market – is artificial.

Please don't go changing what was said on our account just to satisfy your cult needs.

2. hardly anybody makes any money
Reality:
this is true, only people who work hard and try to make money make money, a minority.

People who work hard and try to make money also come out badly.

3. it's a pyramid
Reality:
you make no money by recruiting people, which is the key requirement to be a pyramid

It's a product based pyramid scheme where the vast majority of profit, if realized, comes from the newest member's pockets.

4. there's no "real" customers
Reality:
There's lots of "real" customers. Actively building ABOs usually have many customers, and numerous examples have been given. Furthermore, as governments around the world have acknowledged, ABOs buying stuff for their own use (as opposed to stuffing it in their garage) are as "real" a customer as anyone else

Anecdotal evidence of 20 customers (some repeats) in 6 months doesn't even meet the 1979 FTC vs. Amway standard of 25 per month...since dropped to 10 per month for those who wish to skim off downline's volume. Also, 'lots' of customers are not the ones buying Amway products: it's the IBOs buying their own products to artificially inflate how their 'business' looks and to give the appearance that it does work by filling in the little circles in 'the plan'. Stuffing overpriced vitamins down their throats to meet performance 'goals' is somehow better than stuffing products in their garages? If that level of consumption was based on true demand, Amway would have grown in the North American market instead of being stagnant for years. Amway's own number's don't support your assertions.


For everyone else:

Try ignoring Tex, that's what I do.

Search back in this thread for the warning I gave about Tex and the “LAST WORD.” We will digress to simply repeating your statements back to you.

You can not win an argument with a cultist who thinks he makes a profit simply by buying Amway products.