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[Richard Masters]

I just realized something. Drugs are expensive because they are a black market item. Due to the nature of this the supply chain tends to be long with a lot of middlemen to pay. Isn't this pretty much the same reason Amway products are so expensive? lol.

Good catch... in fact, Amway was successfully charged with price-fixing. Another parallel, is that the middle-men always want someone else to do the dirty work. Of course, the product in MLMs is more likely to be the right to inclusion in the MLM, rather than any product that is desirable for its unbundled value.

 

[Skeptic]

Why would I call a conference call for a discussion on a message board?

Amway still lives in the stone-age, technologically -- dealing with conference calls, tapes, and CDs / DVDs instead of the internet, which is a much more efficient way to spread information.

Apart from the bullying tactics angle, which is of course the case, two more reasons are:

1). The "tools" scam would collapse if people could just get the tapes' and books' information for free on the internet, and

2). Amway, like scientology and other cults, hates the internet because everybody can easily educated themselves about the digusting side of the "business", and find out the embarrasing facts about the infinitesimal rate of success and the pyramid structure of the whole scheme -- facts pre-internet Amway did a lot to try and keep hidden.

 

[Almo]

Okay, you both are chicken.

Whatever.

It's okay. I'm not into bullying, whether giving or receiving.

I would say that calling us "chicken" is bullying. You've discredited yourself within two sentences.

 

[Tex2]

Have it your way, but you are all dead WRONG. If you're looking for an excuse, any excuse will work. How about this one: A number is missing on my telephone.

 

[Tex2]

Calling someone "chicken" is bullying? I guess you have a skin thinner than a chicken!

 

[NewtonTrino]

What are you talking about? Can you completely explain your chain of logic to us? Writing on message board -->-- ?????? -->--- we are chickens for not calling you on the phone? Where's the beef?

 

[Tex2]

Later.

 

[firecoins]

I'm still waiting to hear from any actual retail customers. A lot of people read this forum, surely someone regularly buys amway products here?

I drink the energy drink. I enjoy it. what would you like to know about it?

My 2 brothers are "distributors". 1 is platnium in the the "business" and the other is near that.

 

[NewtonTrino]

Excellent, thanks for the info. Any idea if they are profitable?

Anyone else that isn't family with a distributor want to chime in?

 

[Skeptic]

I drink the energy drink. I enjoy it. what would you like to know about it?

My 2 brothers are "distributors"....

Yet more proof that (practically) the only people who buy Amway's stuff are the distributors and their long-suffering families.

 

[Almo]

Calling someone "chicken" is bullying? I guess you have a skin thinner than a chicken!

You are attempting to goad us into getting on the phone with you. That is bullying.

 

[Ferguson]

None of you has taken the request to discuss this on a conference call, either. Are you all chicken?

Later.

"Shut up NERDS! I'm taking my ball and going home!"

Funny that they are the chickens while you're running away from the discussion like a - pardon the phrase - chicken.


When the vast majority of Amway sales are to IBOs, it's pretty obvious the process goes:
Step 1: Join Amway to get rich.
Step 2: Buy some products to sell, improve your numbers, out of loyalty, etc.
Step 3: Products don't sell, use them yourself.
Step 4: Go to Step 2.

Amway sells you on the idea of owning your own business. If you own your own store, of course you'll only buy from yourself, even if the prices are higher, to support your business. Now Amway has you hooked, locked in to buying only their overpriced fund-raiser-fare. If you listen to propoganda/tools you'll really be hooked. If you get lucky and hook enough others you might even end up making money, works for Amway.

I guess in that way it's similar to drug dealing. To make money you have to stop using and start hooking others

 

[Furcifer]

I'm not sure it's fixable. I'm also a believer in liberty so I'm not sure I would try to shut it down either. I just want people to make sure they have enough information to decide for themselves whether or not they should get involved. I don't see how a conference call helps that.

I haven't read the forum for a bit, but I agree with what you are saying IR, it's just that you haven't really proven that Amway products are actually worth dealing with the scams and gimmicks. There may be several reputable IBO's out there, but the majority aren't. Given the length of time the business has operated in this nature it suggests they have no intention of making all the IBO's reputable. It seems rather obvious that if Amway and the parent company had any intention of removing the refarious nature of the business they would take control of the tools scam and start a smack down on the known offenders. Just a thought.

 

[NewtonTrino]

I haven't read the forum for a bit, but I agree with what you are saying IR, it's just that you haven't really proven that Amway products are actually worth dealing with the scams and gimmicks. There may be several reputable IBO's out there, but the majority aren't. Given the length of time the business has operated in this nature it suggests they have no intention of making all the IBO's reputable. It seems rather obvious that if Amway and the parent company had any intention of removing the refarious nature of the business they would take control of the tools scam and start a smack down on the known offenders. Just a thought.

I think you're misreading me. I'm saying that they are a bunch of scammers and nobody should get involved. I was just clarifying that because I lean libertarian that I'm not sure the government should make them illegal per se.

 

[Furcifer]

I think you're misreading me. I'm saying that they are a bunch of scammers and nobody should get involved. I was just clarifying that because I lean libertarian that I'm not sure the government should make them illegal per se.

Doh, wrong quote. Sorry NT. Meant to quote IR, not you.

I'm rusty

 

[tomwaits]

Have it your way, but you are all dead WRONG. If you're looking for an excuse, any excuse will work. How about this one: A number is missing on my telephone.

Why won't you give a reason for having a conference call? What's the point?

 

[NewtonTrino]

I'm astounded at the lack of responses for people using Amway products.

 

[corplinx]

When I got bored in computer science and switched to business at a good school, I learned about marketing, finance, management, accounting, and other topics. However, I never had "tools" training. I should call that place up and tell them my degree was a scam.

 

[NewtonTrino]

That would slide right in the with the anti-education bias in Amway anyway.

 

[Tex2]

Blah blah, blah, blah, blah.