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American Jews abandoning Israel

Eddie Dane said:
My only point was that many states cultivate ties to the "homeland".
Israel tries to get support from it's diaspora, sometimes through emotional blackmail.
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The Israelies dealing with the world's Jewry couldn't, and still can't, make up their mind on whether to present Israel as a strong, tough nation, so that the diaspora Jews will be proud of it and give money -- or as a poor, crippled nation on the edge of collapse, so they'll be sorry of it and give money.

Levi Eshkol, Israel's PM in the 1960s, noted that Israel should do both at once present itself as Shimshon der nebechdicker -- "poor Samson".

An Israeli satirist noted that the logical result of such a policy would be a "give to Israel" brochure that shows a thin and hungry, yet strong and tall, Israeli steel worker, whose weak right hand holds with enormous force the white-hot charity box.
 
Eddie Dane said:
Same here.

The guardian also took a nosedive in my personal opinion.
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(Sigh)

As usual, the Jews act as "canaries in a coalmine" here too: when some paper start going for the "zionism is evil / poor, poor Hamas" sort of articles, you know it's no longer actually cares about reporting reality but merely about blabbering the party line.

It starts with the Jews, but pretty soon it moves on to all other fields the paper covers, from social events to the arts to editorials discussing monetary policy to whatever.

Eventually, or at least sometimes, people figure out that it's not just the Jews who are described in a way that bares no relationship to reality, but everyone and everything else, as well.
 
Skeptic said:
Neither did Eddie Dane -- "emotional blackmail" is a figure of speech, the sort of thing your wife uses to get you to go out to see a movie when you're tired, not literally blackmail...
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I know the term quite well and is not necessarily applicable in this situation.
 
Skeptic said:
The Israelies dealing with the world's Jewry couldn't, and still can't, make up their mind on whether to present Israel as a strong, tough nation, so that the diaspora Jews will be proud of it and give money -- or as a poor, crippled nation on the edge of collapse, so they'll be sorry of it and give money.

Levi Eshkol, Israel's PM in the 1960s, noted that Israel should do both at once present itself as Shimshon der nebechdicker -- "poor Samson".

An Israeli satirist noted that the logical result of such a policy would be a "give to Israel" brochure that shows a thin and hungry, yet strong and tall, Israeli steel worker, whose weak right hand holds with enormous force the white-hot charity box.
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How could you claim loyalty to a country who's leaders say stuff like this??


I would say thats treason since its clear that Israel is using America for its own nefarious schemes with strong arm tactics.
Maybe its just taking over American politics......


"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001


"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister to New Statesman magazine on June 25, 1982
 
Skeptic said:
It's not clear what, if any, historical basis the story about the Jewish Khazarite kingdom has in fact.

The Khazars, if they in fact ever converted to Judaism as legend has it, probably did it for political reasons -- not wishing to affiliate themselves with either of the two warring factions (Islam and Christianity) then fighting in the area (I can just see the head adviser: "Sire, why don't we convert to Judaism? Nobody will have a reason to hate us THEN!").

But it wasn't due to Jews sending proselytes there. Conversion, even in theory mass conversion, is allowed in Judaism; but the Jews do not actively encourage it.
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As I look at the geography, and a recent bit of E in the JREF that there have been Jews in Persia and in Georgia (the one next to Black Sea) for a very long time, it does not seem strange to me that at some point, as trade interactions came and went, a particular chieftan took a shine to the monotheistic approach of the Jews and adopted it.

But you made me laugh with the "half way" deal vis a vis Islamic and Christian influence in the area. Very funny, and it looks like the Islam's spread subsumed most of whatever had spread previously. Thanks for poking my brain enough to take a peak at the Wiki summary of their history, of which not much is known.

Interesting to note that Cyril (IIRC, St Cyril) did not document Judaism among the Khazars. I think he would have mentioned it ...

DR
 
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brantc said:
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister to New Statesman magazine on June 25, 1982
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sorry....but I call BS.
 
brantc said:
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
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These quotes have been covered ad nauseum, but for some reason keep getting brought up, as disinformation usually goes, over the net.

Covers most of the fantasy quotes: http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=21&x_article=373
 
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