American Jews abandoning Israel

[Thunder]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1162733.html

or so a right-wing Jew would say, after reading this article.

according to a poll by the AJC, a very good majority of American Jews say American-Israeli relations are very good, and 55% support Obama's handling of relations with Israel.

this is very good news. it shows American Jews have not been swayed by right-wing fear mongering, hate, and lies.

Once again, I am proud to be a Jewish-American.

 

[Dorian Gray]

But you're not Israeli-American. You have no reason to agree with or support everything Israel does. And disliking something Israel does doesn't equal hate.

 

[Cain]

Are you suggesting Jews are or should be concerned about Israel? You seem to be saying "right-wing Jews" have a "dual loyalty," to the United States and Israel, which is not only anti-Semitic but crazy.

 

[The Fool]

Are you suggesting Jews are or should be concerned about Israel? You seem to be saying "right-wing Jews" have a "dual loyalty," to the United States and Israel, which is not only anti-Semitic but crazy.

sigh....its hardly anti-semitic to see that there are a number of US jews who see Israels interests as more important than US interests. We have a number of them here on this forum...

 

[Cain]

How dare you? Good day, sir.
I. said. good day!

 

[Pardalis]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1162733.htmlOnce again, I am proud to be a Jewish-American.

Meh, I'm sure tomorrow you'll find another article that'll make you change your mind, again.

 

[Meed]

One of my Jewish-American friends considers Israel her "homeland". I don't see anything wrong with having dual loyalties.

 

[Skeptic]

Oh, it's OK when it's, say, an Italian-American calling Italy his homeland. It's only the Jews who must abandon all support for the Jewish state, in fear of what would the goyim would say about "dual loyalty".

 

[plumjam]

Oh, it's OK when it's, say, an Italian-American calling Italy his homeland. It's only the Jews who must abandon all support for the Jewish state, in fear of what would the goyim would say about "dual loyalty".

Not a great comparison.
What are Italians currently doing to displace, suppress, frustrate and kill a competing nearby ethnicity?

 

[Meed]

America does a lot of nasty things, but that doesn't mean I can't have a sense of loyalty to my country. It's not like that means you support everything they do.

 

[Cain]

Oh, it's OK when it's, say, an Italian-American calling Italy his homeland. It's only the Jews who must abandon all support for the Jewish state, in fear of what would the goyim would say about "dual loyalty".

And Catholics never get this either. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous in the most insanely ****ed up way: it's... rediculous.

 

[Puppycow]

Did you see the comments under the article?

Good grief.

 

[Skeptic]

Not a great comparison.
What are Italians currently doing to displace, suppress, frustrate and kill a competing nearby ethnicity?

If you want someone whose goal is to "displace and kill" a nearby ethnicity, you need look no further than Hamas' or Fatah's charter. Or, say, the speeches of Assad and Hizbullah and Ahmadejinad and Nasser and about two million (it seems) other terrorist organizations.

Ever heard of the "Staged Plan" for Israel's destruction? First getting a small Palestinian state and then using it as a military base to get the rest? Well, that's both the PLO and Hamas' official goal, and supporting a Palestinian state means support of that goal.

(Not to mention less crucial issues such as the PA being a kleptocracy, the treatment of women, gays, Christians, and other minorities there, etc.)

So I would certainly understand if the Palestinians living in America would be abandoning their connection to their co-nationalists, not wishing to be associated with a group whose official goal is genocide, but, strangely, they don't.


But I admit Israel is "frustrating" the Palestinians. Israel actually didn't disappear yet, which is highly frustrating to them.

 

[Thunder]

Are you suggesting Jews are or should be concerned about Israel? You seem to be saying "right-wing Jews" have a "dual loyalty," to the United States and Israel, which is not only anti-Semitic but crazy.

there is nothing anti-Semitic about asking Jewish-Americans if a certain foreign policy, or a certain politician, is "good for the Jews".

 

[Thunder]

Oh, it's OK when it's, say, an Italian-American calling Italy his homeland. It's only the Jews who must abandon all support for the Jewish state, in fear of what would the GOYIM would say about "dual loyalty".

um.....Italian Americans have roots in Italy....after 2-3 generations.

Most Jewish-Americans MAY have some roots in Israel....after 2,000 years.

slight...difference.

p.s....I hate it when Jews use the word "goy". It is no different than the N word...or "kike".

but anyways, I am proud of Jewish Americans for seeing that Obama is actually giving Israel what it needs..which is "tough love". We have been enabling its counter-productive behavior for waaaay too long.

 

[Meed]

um.....Italian Americans have roots in Italy....after 2-3 generations.

Most Jewish-Americans MAY have some roots in Israel....after 2,000 years.

slight...difference.

Another difference is that Israel claims to be the homeland of the Jews and directs its policies accordingly. Many Jews identify with Israel for reasons other than ancestry. But again, I don't see why that's a bad thing (the latter... state policy favoring Jews is more iffy). Btw, you can identify with a country and not support all or most of its actions.

 

[mikeyx]

Not a great comparison.
What are Italians currently doing to displace, suppress, frustrate and kill a competing nearby ethnicity?

I miss the khanate, where are you now, Ghengis?

 

[pchams]

Anyone who would use the word "Goyim" is not worth debating, or supporting for that matter.

 

[Thunder]

Anyone who would use the word "Goyim" is not worth debating, or supporting for that matter.

pretty much. i wouldn't debate someone who called Jewish people "kikes", so why should I debate anyone who calls non-Jews "goys"?

perhaps I should not.

but, as to the OP, only a right-wing extremist believes that a true Jew must support the settlements in the West Bank.

and only a right-wing extremist believes that American or other Diaspora communities reject the settlements simply to placate Gentiles, in fear of being labeled "dual-loyal" or "Israel-firsters".

I am against the settlements because they are illegal, immoral, and undemocratic. I don't give a rat's ass what Gentiles think about them, as many millions of Christians love them to death.

 

[Skeptic]

Another point, plumjam: surely you know the Catholics are all part of a conspiracy to take over the world for the Pope, so unlike, say, British-Americans, Italian-Americans should renounced double loyalty?

(Hey, if you can use lies to prove your point, so can I).