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America: What's wrong with "socialism", anyway?

MikeMangum said:
Completely OT, I know...but no, red meat is not "horrible" for heart disease. In fact meat (and especially red meat) is actually very good for heart health. The "read meat is evil" meme is one of those cherished beliefs that is being fiercely defended in the face of overwhelming evidence by authoritative groups like the American Heart Association and the National Institute of Health. These are the same groups that told us to cut out fat and gave us a food pyramid with 30% or less of calories coming from fat and most of the rest coming from carbs. They told us to stop eating butter, to reduce our consumption of eggs, red meat, etc., etc.

They were wrong, and their recommendations caused a massive spike in metabolic syndrome, non alchoholic fatty liver disease, diabetes, heart disease, and osteoperosis, for a whole host of reasons, but primarily 1) carbs are bad ummkay, and 2) our primary sources of vitamin K2 are eggs, meat, and dairy, specifically fats from those items, as K2 is a fat soluble vitamin.

Increased K2 intake showed a 51% decrease in heart attack mortality and a 26% decrease in mortality from all causes - link. K2 is even showing up as having significant impacts on chances of getting various cancers and there is even evidence showing that K2 is usefull in treating (pdf) cancer. Another study showed that people with the highest average intakes of vitamin K2 were 14 per cent less likely to develop cancer, compared to people with the lowest average intakes and a 28 per cent reduction in cancer mortality was observed for people with the highest average intakes.

There are alot of other reasons why the myth of "red meat bad" is just that, but I'm not going to detail them here.

The people in charge at the NIH should be shot.
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This is interesting enough for its own thread.

Rolfe.
 
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AvalonXQ said:
:) I'm glad I amuse you. I stand by my opinion that President Obama is both a hypocrite and an idiot.
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I find 'idiot' to be just in front of 'socialist' on the list of mind bogglingly ridiculous things certain folks call Obama.

I think he's a flim-flam man that spun a everyman hero persona about his business as usual 100% politician self, but that's just another example of how smart and slick he is.
 
Beerina said:
The real problem, in effect, is when it goes beyond nibbling at the edges to address this or that small issue, and just starts doing things like you say, such as a "ceiling on individual wealth". That is contrary to actual concepts of freedom. "So what?" you say? Well, for one, think about that. And two, the effect is to drive hard work away since the harder people work, and are rewarded, the less and less they get from their hard work, making it less and less attractive as an effort.

This theory has been tested again and again and again. Too many people, for whatever reason (and "the poor" are a minority of this burden nowadays, keep in mind) are extracting money from the producers that they slow down. Nobody works hard to enrich other people. Or empower other peoples' "necessary programs".....
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Which seems in the last six months, to actually be happening in the US. It's slowing down, on numerous dimensions in measurable amounts.
 
Jekyll's Guest said:
I find 'idiot' to be just in front of 'socialist' on the list of mind bogglingly ridiculous things certain folks call Obama.

I think he's a flim-flam man that spun a everyman hero persona about his business as usual 100% politician self, but that's just another example of how smart and slick he is.
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Why can't he be a socialist (or even a communist), as well?

Afterall, he grew up in a family full of them. That's a little unusual in America. More than a little of that philosophy had to have rubbed off.

He went to schools that had a higher number of socialist and communists as teachers or professors than is usual in America.

Those were schools where the curriculum delved more into socialism and communism than is usual, too. One was even referred to as the Little Red Schoolhouse.

He was mentored (that's his own description) by numerous socialists and communists over the years. People he said he admired and respected.

He moved to the city and neighborhood that can arguably be called one of the most socialist in America. That was a choice.

He's initiated and maintained friendly relationships with numerous socialists and communists over the years. Scores and scores of them. You won't find many other Americans, outside of the group he associated with, that have as many such relationships.

He worked side by side with socialists and communists prior to entering politics on numerous occasions. The Chicago Anneburg Challenge. His activities associated with ACORN.

He was sought out and willingly accepted donations from individuals and groups that are amongst the most radical in America ... run by hardcore socialists and communists.

He entered politics through the efforts of socialists and communists, even joining a political party founded by socialists and communists.

His rhetoric has espoused socialist/communist ideas on numerous occasions. His speeches are filled with socialist and communist expressions.

As President he's brought into the administration numerous people with clear socialist and communist backgrounds and agendas. Far more than any President in history.

His ultimate agenda is clearly socialist in nature. I've no doubt that if he thought he could get away with achieving that end goal in one step he would do it. You've just been fooled into thinking he's not socialist because he's smart enough to know that wouldn't succeed so he's adopted an incrimental and long term strategy to reach that objective.

Given all that, I think that the fact you can claim with a straight face and with absolute certainty that he's not a socialist is what is truly "mind bogglingly ridiculous". :D
 
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I would think if Obama was a socialist, he'd be pushing more socialists ideas. Instead, he seems to be centrist in his policies.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I would think if Obama was a socialist, he'd be pushing more socialists ideas. Instead, he seems to be centrist in his policies.
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I wonder if this whole "socialist" thing comes down to where you sit on the political spectrum, because what's centrist to you might be socialist to BeAChooser.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Instead, he seems to be centrist in his policies.
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You really think that? LOL! Just what do you consider centrist ideas?

The majority of Americans were against the health care bill that was passed.

The majority of Americans want to see illegal immigration stopped.

The majority of Americans want smaller, not larger government.

The majority of Americans are against the additional debt Obama's policies are now creating.

The majority of Americans were against his Stimulus package and indeed think that whatever stimulus funds have not been spent should be returned.

The majority of Americans do not want a socialist government, which is why he and you are so touchy about the label.

Just because the Obama administration rammed through unpopular measures with the help of a bunch of other socialists in Congress doesn't make his policies "centrist".

If you want a measure of whether his policies are "centrist", you need only look at his negative approval rating:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Saturday, June 05, 2010

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17
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:D
 
thaiboxerken said:
I would think if Obama was a socialist, he'd be pushing more socialists ideas.
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…For example, he might put forth a takeover, by the federal government, of a major automotive manufacturer, such as General Motors.

…Or he might try to have the federal government take charge of the health care industry.

…Or perhaps have the government take control of several major financial institutions, under the guise of “bailouts”.

Socialist is as socialist does.
 
yomero said:
:)

What would happen if there was a poll to see which professions are the least and most attractive? Those jobs least liked (garbage collector, coal miner, undertaker ) woul get the highest income. Movie stars and professional athletes would be the least paid.:)
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though i see that everyone has a good arguement on this subject i think this guy hit the nail on the head. I know he meant it as a joke, but i love it!

However i do have to say that something does need to be done, maybe not socialism (even though i have to admit it would be better then where we are at now) something has to be done. Politicians, actors, directors, ceos etc make millions to billions of dollars every year (if not months for some) while the little guys bust thier asses off to make ends meet from paycheck to paycheck and still have taxes to pay. Some kind of cap of certain proffesions that doesnt really deserve the money they are making wouldnt be a bad idea. i mean hell put that money in the government tax fund (or whatever its called) we would be the richest country in the world! Yes we would have to hear complaints about no more gold toilets or personal jets, but at least our economy wouldnt be so ******. At least people will be able to survive without government help and such.

That is my rant for tonight, thank you, i feel soooo much better now that i got that off my chest
 
Also i want to ask, why is it everytime i hear the word socialism, barrack obama's name is followed soon after? I dont think he is really doing anything that would be considered "socialist". Rich republicans keep saying and spreading that because they are pissed that they might have to be giving up a couple million to save our country and if you ask me it is people who believe that what he is doing isn't right are just as unpatriotic as them

Mind you i am not a very patriotic person, i think this country and most of the people in and running it are the worst, immoral people ever. So it is alot for something like my previous statement to come out of my mouth
 
steph said:
Rich republicans keep saying and spreading that because they are pissed that they might have to be giving up a couple million to save our country and if you ask me it is people who believe that what he is doing isn't right are just as unpatriotic as them
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Can I have ten thousand dollars, please? It will really help me, I promise.
 
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