T'ai Chi said:
Fine, whatever, but you and I didn't even give them rhetoric.
I think the intelligent folks who gave her a Nobel Prize disagree with you.[/B]
T'ai Chi said:
I personally doubt anyone on this board has done as much humanitarian work as Mother Teresa has.
http://www.nobel.se/peace/laureates/1979/ Yeah, what a slacker she was!
By your comments you are insulting the entire Nobel committee (for starters).
If she is a bad person, I'd hate to know what that makes us good people.
EdipisReks said:
By the way, he shared his Nobel with 2 others.
T'ai Chi said:
Not an irrelevant appeal to authority. It is an appeal to evidence, an appeal to fact. Evidence and fact that many people realize she did good rather than bad. That she benefitted the world rather than tried to scam it.
no, she scammed it rather well by convincing people to convert to catholicism and having lots of children "for god" despite an inability for the people to take care of them
Arafat did some good stuff for the peace process too, so don't knock him.
arafat is a terrorist, has been a terrorist, and will be a terrorist until he dies. he was offered everything that he had demanded in the mid 90's and rejected it. he is the major roadblock, in my opinion, to peace in israel. the fact that he shared the prize doesn't negate the fact that a terrorist won the nobel peace prize.
Have you won any Peace Prizes lately for your efforts? Let us know.
this is totally irrelevant. grow up.
EdipisReks said:
It is fairly relevant I feel. You're saying these people have done nothing, etc., so I'm asking you, what have you done, to show that these people have indeed done something, good things that people have recognized them for on a global scale.
T'ai Chi said:
Well then she convinced the whole world ... except for about, what, 10% of the skeptics? There will always be those who snipe on somebody, no matter how much good they do I guess. They are called "playa hatas".
incorrect. as an example, my mother is a rather credulous person in many regards, and i certainly wouldn't call her a skeptic. she doesn't believe that mother theresa really did any good. it only takes one example of someone not a skeptic agreeing with me to destroy your little story. good job.
The facts are that Arafat:
1. declared publicly that he recognised the state of Israel -- no other Palestinian leader dared do that so publicly.
2. said he would abandon terrorism, and
3. agreed that peace would be based on the borders of 1967 and not 1948."
Peres, Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin were awarded the Nobel prize in 1994 for their effort towards the 1993 Oslo peace accords.
of course, he hasn't abandoned terrorism, and when offered basically what he asked for didn't take it. good job arafat. what a humanitarian.
So that's a "No." then?
once again, irrelevant. being recognized on a global scale is meaningless, as arafat's nobel prize shows. no, i have never won a nobel prize. however, i have volunteered in cancer research fund drives, tutored poor children in reading, and participated in food drives for poor families. i think that what i did was more meaningful than mother theresa's evangelization of poverty.
ceo_esq said:
geni said:
T'ai Chi said:
No. That makes your mother a skeptic in terms of her views on Mother Teresa.[/b]
ah, but that isn't the way you used the term
Tell it to the Nobel committee. I only report on the facts. He did good stuff and got a prize for it. So did Mother Teresa.
no, he didn't do good things. the nobel committee gave him the prize for its political expedience.
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Once again, it is relevant. You are claiming to have done things that are more meaningful than Mother Teresa, yet you are virtually unknown to the world while she is known to all. That makes me think that she (and her order) probably did very good humanitarian work. Again, while you've done good work, you still don't have a medal for your efforts. She does, several, from very prominent organizations.
what does a medal mean? nothing. is recognition the only means you use for deciding whether someone has done something good? that is hollow and pathetic. why don't you use wealth, too? i'm poor, does that mean i'm bad?
Yeah, I've volunteered helping clear flood victims' yards, have given money, food and clothes to the poor, as well as donated blood to those in need. However, Mother Teresa was on a whole other level than us in terms of humanitarian work. The distance between amateurs and pros is the greatest distance there is.
the level between amateur and pro is much less than you think. most computer enthusiasts i know (including myself) are much more knowledgable about computers than the IT pros i know. i am a history student, but i know much more about certain topics than my professors. being a "pro" at something does not mean you have greater "intrinsic good". this is simply another face to your apparent "recognition is the way to measure good" spiel.
Lord Kenneth said:
It's been a number of years since I read the book, but as an example, if I recall correctly at one point Hitchens tried to associate Mother Teresa with a treaty of friendship that Benito Mussolini signed with King Zog of Albania.Segnosaur said:
The most compelling and troubling critique, in my view, was Hitchens' discussion of the questionable medical care allegedly dispensed in the Sisters of Charity facilities. I would have loved for that point to have been followed up with more investigative reporting following the publication of the book. But my impression of Hitchen's book (almost more of a long pamphlet, really) as a whole was that it skimped on source citations and lacked objectivity - even though I was predisposed to appreciate the book because I admire Hitchens' writing.
