Allopathic Medicine!!!

[Trebuchet]

Reading the tables on this site, infant mortality appears to have been about 50 per 1000 live births at that time. Maternal mortality about 400 per 10,000 live births. Compared to around 5 and nearly none, respectively, by the 1990's. Thanks to that horrible modern medicine.

Sorry, I appear to have forgotten the link. I'll look again this evening.

 

[bruto]

I don't buy stats as MOST are manipulated by and for the stat takers...I don't care about stats. I'm crippled from hip replacement and boy did I read the stats pre surgery.

That's a bold statement. A person with some humility might consider the possibility that she has not achieved full understanding of the subject. I presume you can provide us with some credible evidence that this is not the case.

 

[casebro]

Reading the tables on this site, infant mortality appears to have been about 50 per 1000 live births at that time. Maternal mortality about 400 per 10,000 live births. Compared to around 5 and nearly none, respectively, by the 1990's. Thanks to that horrible modern medicine.

Infants 5%, mothers 4%?

 

[turingtest]

I don't buy stats as MOST are manipulated by and for the stat takers...I don't care about stats. I'm crippled from hip replacement and boy did I read the stats pre surgery.

Are you saying you read the stats before you had hip surgery, the stats said most people have no important or long-lasting complications, and you (unfortunately) did have them? If so, I'd suggest that there are at least two things you need to understand-

1) Stats aren't guarantees, they're only measures of likelihoods. This is elementary.

2) It's just not rational to be "anti-stat" because you have a grudge against them- in fact, it's downright childish.

Now it could be that I've misunderstood what you meant by the highlighted; if so, I'm open to correction.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Born by emergency C-section, two months premature. Three pounds. Breathing on his own and beginning to eat. Has a good prognosis of a long and normal life.

My partner had twins delivered by C-section, nine weeks premature as one had a blood clot. Sadly one boy died after 18 days as the blood clot blocked brain stem development.

The other boy is now almost three and absolutely fine.

The good news is that for the nine weeks in NICU, the midwifes beat a regime of reading to him, and good parenting practices, into our brains, which we continue today. I'm suspicious this had allowed my son to develop very good language skills.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I don't buy stats as MOST are manipulated by and for the stat takers.

Prove it and that there is a conspiracy by thousands of medical workers to independently fake the same resulting manipulated statistics.
I say you are just making your claim up.

 

[Caroline13]

Prove it and that there is a conspiracy by thousands of medical workers to independently fake the same resulting manipulated statistics.
I say you are just making your claim up.

Say what you want to say, you do not know me or what I've been thru and live with my damaged body from hip replacement.

Bottom line you do a surgery and your take your chances, a true crapshoot. Everybody has their body's own results.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Say what you want to say, you do not know me or what I've been thru and live with my damaged body from hip replacement.

Bottom line you do a surgery and your take your chances, a true crapshoot. Everybody has their body's own results.

So you are a statistical study of one person, what is known as n=1. With your incredible knowledge of stats, you know that sort of study is a joke, right?

 

[SezMe]

I don't buy stats as MOST are manipulated by and for the stat takers...I don't care about stats. I'm crippled from hip replacement and boy did I read the stats pre surgery.

Stats are not predictive of a singular outcome. You can have a procedure that is 99.99% safe and still end up on the wrong side of the grass.

I believe I've done my part in balancing hip statistics; I've had both replaced and other than jumping around a lot, I live a perfectly normal life.

 

[Caroline13]

Stats are not predictive of a singular outcome. You can have a procedure that is 99.99% safe and still end up on the wrong side of the grass.

I believe I've done my part in balancing hip statistics; I've had both replaced and other than jumping around a lot, I live a perfectly normal life.

Plenty of damage from the joint replacements...Have you had any? And people do die on the Operating Tables during surgeries.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Plenty of damage from the joint replacements...Have you had any? And people do die on the Operating Tables during surgeries.

I wouldn't go near hospitals if I were you. So many people die there every year!

Also, you do know that the only food they serve at MacDonalds restaurants is MacDonalds food?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Say what you want to say,

No I addressed your ridiculous argument.

You claimed Covid-19 statistics were faked. You were lying.

How did thousands of scientist independently fake Covid-19 statistics and yet all end up with the same statistical results?
You can't answer that question as you were simply lying again.

 

[SezMe]

Plenty of damage from the joint replacements...Have you had any? And people do die on the Operating Tables during surgeries.

Have I had any what?? Damage? I'm not sure what hip replacement "damage" is.

 

[arthwollipot]

In the words of the great philosopher Tim Minchin:

Alternative medicine has either not been proved to work, or has been proved not to work. You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work?

Medicine.

 

[dann]

It's not the birth that has caused me anger, but idiots on this forum!

You should totally write a card for your nephew, explaining how his birth filled you with anger towards people who had nothing to do with him.

You could give it to him on his sixth birthday, maybe. "Happy birthday! Your birth pissed me off for reasons that have nothing to do with you (except they kinda do), so here I am to tell you about it."

Nominated as dumbest post in this thread, but I guess theprestige will assume that I am blaming it on the birth of Trebuchet's nephew.

 

[Pixel42]

Plenty of damage from the joint replacements...Have you had any? And people do die on the Operating Tables during surgeries.

Yes, a small percentage of those who have joint replacement surgery end up no better off, or even worse off, whilst the vast majority are better off. Yes, every person who decides to have it runs a small risk of being one of that small minority rather than the large majority. Most people understand that, and do not take against the whole of modern medicine - and even statistics itself - if they are unlucky enough to be one of the minority. Because most people still have the sense they were born with.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

I don't buy stats as MOST are manipulated by and for the stat takers...I don't care about stats.

That's just silly.

We all know that statistics can be manipulated, which is why a knowledge of at least the basics is helpful in spotting someone trying it on (Trisha Greenhalgh - How To Read A Paper...Again). However that sort of claim can only come from someone who has never read any proper scientific research nor participated in any.

Oh, more anedote: both my parents worked with more folk than they could count who'd undergone joint replacement surgery and none of their patients had any lasting damage. So that more than cancels out your story.

See, that's what happens without some hard numbers: we trade anecdotes and no-one ends up knowing anything.

 

[Steve]

Plenty of damage from the joint replacements...Have you had any? And people do die on the Operating Tables during surgeries.

Why did you choose to have the replacement? Was your fantastic octogenarian immune system not up to the task of keeping you healthy? Surely there was a better alternative than subjecting yourself to those nasty allopathic medicine practitioners. You could have just chosen to live with the natural pain and limited motion. And did you fully investigate homeopathy? I suspect the surgery involved infusing your body with chemicals that resulted in anesthesia - nasty! And there were antibiotics used to minimize the chance of infection, or did you decline those in favor of your own immune system? And now you have foreign metal in your body replacing that lovely natural bone - that cannot be good.

Criticizing real medicine and then choosing to engage it when it appears to be to your benefit is the height of hypocrisy. It reduces any value in your opinions on medicine to zero.

 

[Butter!]

You should totally write a card for your nephew, explaining how his birth filled you with anger towards people who had nothing to do with him.

You could give it to him on his sixth birthday, maybe. "Happy birthday! Your birth pissed me off for reasons that have nothing to do with you (except they kinda do), so here I am to tell you about it."

Peak prestige has been achieved.

 

[Steve]

Nominated as dumbest post in this thread, but I guess theprestige will assume that I am blaming it on the birth of Trebuchet's nephew.

Peak prestige has been achieved.

IMO theprestige frequently makes interesting and thoughtful posts on this forum. I often appreciate his points of view even when I do not agree with them. That said, his brain occasionally seems to take short trips without him. This seems to be one of those times.