Merged All things Trump + Russia

[Aber]

and is actually an explicit and incontrovertible statement.

Made by Trump?

Finding anything that he says that is explicit and incontrovertible is quite a challenge.

 

[TofuFighter]

What would that collusion look like?

I don't think it requires explanation.

Thanks captain obvious! I'm talked about what has been found so far.

I actually thought it was obvious. But not to you, logic fail notwithstanding...

Fake news!
Here another reason why this Russia collusion is so ridiculous. Obama did it too.

And apparently not to Trump.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Analogy fail.

The evidence? Trump, the most unqualified POTUS candidate in history won while Clinton, the most qualified candidate in history lost.

And the proof is in this incompetent piece of crap that is flailing and isn't going make it through the year.

That is extremely​circumstantial evidence.

 

[logger]

There have been occasions where Pence disagreed with Trump and I don't see Pence in the same light as Trump. Trump is an outright idiot who has angered our allies and has been looking to appease Putin. Trump doesn't have what it takes to be a true politician, which is clearly evident by the way he conducts his business from the White House. Look at Trump's budget and you will see what I mean, which according to a few, is "dead-on-arrival." Trump is ineffective as president and can't seem to get things done because of all of the turmoil and chaos he has created. His travel ban has been halted, his border wall is going nowhere, and don't expect his healthcare bill to pass as is in the Senate. His staff can't seem to tell the truth and have been on the receiving end of jokes, not to mention their comments and explanations have conflicted with one another. Since taking office, there have been firings, resignations, and reassignments and he has only been in office since January! Pence would have much more respect from our allies and I am very sure that Pence is not going to be Putin's sweetheart.

To sum it up, the Trump administration is a complete disaster!!

Pence will have political experience to get things done, but he is much further to the right then Trump. He will have just as much trouble getting things done because of the ruling elite.

 

[logger]

I don't think it requires explanation.

Because your side makes it up as they go along?

I actually thought it was obvious. But not to you, logic fail notwithstanding...

Lol
It's clearly not obvious to your side. But we can certainly discuss what they've found so far, which is nothing!

Nothing from you about Obamas meddling?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Pence will have political experience to get things done, but he is much further to the right then Trump. He will have just as much trouble getting things done because of the ruling elite.

Hope he does something about the biomass problem, cutting the Biomass and Synthetic Fuels funding has already cause Three Loggers around here to go bankrupt.
They and the tree companies can no longer sell the wood chips as fuel, to expensive now to transport!

 

[logger]

Hope he does something about the biomass problem, cutting the Biomass and Synthetic Fuels funding has already cause Three Loggers around here to go bankrupt.
They and the tree companies can no longer sell the wood chips as fuel, to expensive now to transport!

Its a tough business, here we use it as mulch but have to give the chips.

 

[TofuFighter]

Because your side makes it up as they go along?

Lol
It's clearly not obvious to your side. But we can certainly discuss what they've found so far, which is nothing!

Nothing from you about Obamas meddling?

The problem I have with your argument is that when I make a point about something you are saying, your response is to point to what "my side" is saying, rather than to what I am saying. It's a cheap tactic, but tbh, I don't think it's deliberate on your part.

What i said, and i'll repeat, is that we can't conclude that there was collusion yet. The investigation is ongoing. As obvious as you have stated that is, you still insist on contradicting yourself by claiming that nothing has been found, and that the whole notion of collusion is ridiculous. It's like you don't know what obvious means.
You cannot claim nothing has been found, since you're not part of the investigation, and the investigation is obviously not giving out their findings as they go along. You also cannot claim that there was no collusion any more than anyone can claim that there was collusion.

Whatever meddling Obama has or has not done is not relevant to this topic. Feel free to start a thread.

 

[Stacko]

Did he just accuse Comey and Brennan of perjury?

...case against him & now wants to clear his name by showing "the false or misleading testimony by James Comey, John Brennan..." Witch Hunt!​

He needs those tweet lawyers to stop him.

 

[TofuFighter]

Pence will have political experience to get things done, but he is much further to the right then Trump. He will have just as much trouble getting things done because of the ruling elite.

Are you referring to the ruling elite (democrats) who have zero power? Or the ruling elite (republicans)? And... where exactly do you think Pence falls?

 

[TofuFighter]

I am not defending Trump. I am opposing transparent and obvious spin. FFS, it's not subtle!

I can conceive of no other situation in which so many people on this forum would accept such sparse and speculative information as if it were fact. Swap out the subject of this entire discussion, of the news media, all of it. Pretend it were Obama's name in there being accused of colluding with Russia. How quickly would this end up in the Conspiracy Theory forum?

Confirmation bias is insidious.

Probably just coincidence then that you and he are both suddenly repeatedly referring to witch hunts.

Highlight 2. And who are the so many people that accept the information as fact? Your assertion.

Highlight 2. It really is.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Its a tough business, here we use it as mulch but have to give the chips.

Mutch when you could have put it on a barge and sell it for profit?

It is considered carbon neutral, a good fuel source renewable, it was a booming Business here until Trump.

 

[jimbob]

If you were Flynn, would *you* trust Trump to remember to pardon you, or to care if he did remember. I think that the Spicer snub with the Pope could be quite damaging in the long tern, as it shows the rewards of loyalty.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

If you were Flynn, would *you* trust Trump to remember to pardon you, or to care if he did remember. I think that the Spicer snub with the Pope could be quite damaging in the long tern, as it shows the rewards of loyalty.

Yes. Given Trump's cavalier attitude toward things like loyalty,* coupled with his demonstrated concern and affection for Flynn even months after his resignation, I surmise that Flynn has some real dirt on Trump. Nothing rock solid by itself, or else his request for immunity in exchange for testimony would have been granted, but enough for an indictment that Trump would like to avoid.

From Flynn's perspective, he needs to either keep mum until Trump can buy his silence, or wait to use his testimony as a bargaining chip in a plea deal.

[ETA] *I should clarify: Trump's cavalier about his loyalty to his underlings. He fetishizes their loyalty to him to an alarming degree.

 

[NoahFence]

That is extremely​circumstantial evidence.

So is pretty much everything you see, isn't it?

 

[NoahFence]

Pence will have political experience to get things done, but he is much further to the right then Trump. He will have just as much trouble getting things done because of the ruling elite.

YOU PEOPLE are the "ruling elite" for chrissake.

Man.

 

[logger]

The problem I have with your argument is that when I make a point about something you are saying, your response is to point to what "my side" is saying, rather than to what I am saying. It's a cheap tactic, but tbh, I don't think it's deliberate on your part.

Well, it's just a way to keep it from being personal. A tactic I've learned so I don't go against the MA. Cheap, possibly but effective.

What i said, and i'll repeat, is that we can't conclude that there was collusion yet. The investigation is ongoing. As obvious as you have stated that is, you still insist on contradicting yourself by claiming that nothing has been found, and that the whole notion of collusion is ridiculous. It's like you don't know what obvious means.
You cannot claim nothing has been found, since you're not part of the investigation, and the investigation is obviously not giving out their findings as they go along. You also cannot claim that there was no collusion any more than anyone can claim that there was collusion.

Yet? Lol
But we can report congress people who've reported there is nothing.
I do find it interesting that you don't direct this also to your side, who are ready to impeach.

Whatever meddling Obama has or has not done is not relevant to this topic. Feel free to start a thread.

You asked the question.

 

[logger]

Are you referring to the ruling elite (democrats) who have zero power? Or the ruling elite (republicans)? And... where exactly do you think Pence falls?

Both, Pence is from my side of ruling elites.

 

[logger]

Mutch when you could have put it on a barge and sell it for profit?

It is considered carbon neutral, a good fuel source renewable, it was a booming Business here until Trump.

Depends on how much, that's why where you are it's a fuel/trucking issue. Here mulch is still very cheap so tree work isn't priced on the lower end products. It's barely worth pulling out the 4 cut logs anymore.

 

[logger]

YOU PEOPLE are the "ruling elite" for chrissake.

Man.

Lol

No, actually we're not.