Merged All things Trump + Russia

[Tony Stark]

I'll be saluting president Pence!

But would you accept that Trump and co are criminals and should be punished?

Also, what if Pence is a part of it?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Do you have any evidence the hacked databases were tampered with?

Who said the databases were tampered with? The intel, which was a data base of pro-Democratic voters that the DNC had (same as the RNC has of their own voters) was used against Clinton.

The old days also had optical scanner miscounts.

None of those others even remotely contribute to stealing.

Yes, voter caging and voter role purging has been used by the GOP for a couple decades to disallow legit Democratic voters. Look up "voter caging" to educate yourself as to how it is done.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Who said the databases were tampered with? The intel, which was a data base of pro-Democratic voters that the DNC had (same as the RNC has of their own voters) was used against Clinton.


Yes, voter caging and voter role purging has been used by the GOP for a couple decades to disallow legit Democratic voters. Look up "voter caging" to educate yourself as to how it is done.

Do you have evidence they were used against Clinton?

The post I replied to did not allege vote caging.

 

[skyeagle409]

I'll be saluting president Pence!

With the way things are going forTrump, I won't be surprised if that happens within the next four years.

 

[logger]

But would you accept that Trump and co are criminals and should be punished?

Also, what if Pence is a part of it?

You're wishing again, I do get amusement from that at least.

 

[logger]

With the way things are going forTrump, I won't be surprised if that happens within the next four years.

So being a republican, you're excited about President Pence?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Do you have evidence they were used against Clinton?

The post I replied to did not allege vote caging.

For crying out loud Bob, do we really need to go back to square one and review how the Russians used the DNC email hack to influence the election?

Caging is part of the voter suppression activities the GOP has been engaged in.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Pence's and Ryan's hands are not so clean. I wouldn't be so quick to think he's immune from the taint.

 

[BobTheCoward]

For crying out loud Bob, do we really need to go back to square one and review how the Russians used the DNC email hack to influence the election?

Caging is part of the voter suppression activities the GOP has been engaged in.

The post I replied did not mention the DNC hack nor did it talk about suppression activities in general. You have shifted what hack was being discussed.

 

[skyeagle409]

So being a republican, you're excited about President Pence?

I would rather have Pence take over because Trump is currently ruining the United States of America and has turned his administration into a laughingstock. The fact he has thrown 'cold water' into the faces of the majority of nations in regards to the Paris climate accord proves that Trump is unfit to be president of the United States. Thanks to Trump, our allies no longer consider the United States dependable.

It's time for Trump to step down and let Pence take over before Trump does further damage to America. Pence has had his problems but I feel he is a better choice to run the government than Trump.

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[Skeptic Ginger]

The post I replied did not mention the DNC hack nor did it talk about suppression activities in general. You have shifted what hack was being discussed.

Yeah well, about that. Russians Hacked Two U.S. Voter Databases, Officials Say

The breaches included the theft of data from as many as 200,000 voter records in Illinois, officials say. ...

"The FBI is requesting that states contact their Board of Elections and determine if any similar activity to their logs, both inbound and outbound, has been detected," the alert said.

And about those voting machines:

Wired:America’s Electronic Voting Machines Are Scarily Easy Targets

The problem is that not every state does post-election audits. And even some that require them by law, namely Pennsylvania and Kentucky, don’t actually use voter-verifiable paper trails, meaning they have no way to complete an audit.

What were your other issues?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Yeah well, about that. Russians Hacked Two U.S. Voter Databases, Officials Say

And about those voting machines:

Wired:America’s Electronic Voting Machines Are Scarily Easy Targets

What were your other issues?

As I said, you have no evidence that information hacked from those voter databases were used for anything.

Further, you comment on voting issues doesn't actually address anything I said about them. I simply said older machines were also capable of miscounting.

 

[logger]

I would rather have Pence take over because Trump is currently ruining the United States of America and has turned his administration into a laughingstock. The fact he has thrown 'cold water' into the faces of the majority of nations in regards to the Paris climate accord proves that Trump is unfit to be president of the United States. Thanks to Trump, our allies no longer consider the United States dependable.

Lordy!
I would rather have Pence also, but he is going to do the same thing with the climate hoax as Trump, which I agree with.

It's time for Trump to step down and let Pence take over before Trump does further damage to America. Pence has had his problems but I feel he is a better choice to run the government than Trump.

But of course you know this isn't happening?

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[Skeptic Ginger]

As I said, you have no evidence that information hacked from those voter databases were used for anything.

Further, you comment on voting issues doesn't actually address anything I said about them. I simply said older machines were also capable of miscounting.

Oh no, course not, it was just an exercise.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Oh no, course not, it was just an exercise.

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What?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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What?

Not sure how to explain some of this stuff to you, Bob. Think about it.

Russia does X.
You claim X had no effect.
If that were true, WhyTF did they bother?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Not sure how to explain some of this stuff to you, Bob. Think about it.

Russia does X.
You claim X had no effect.
If that were true, WhyTF did they bother?

I did not claim X had no effect. I said there isn't evidence it had an effect. If you make a claim that they used voter roll data, it is on you to present evidence.

As to why did they bother, I will paraphrase another comment I made on another thread. If it were true that homeopathy had no effect, why do people bother?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I did not claim X had no effect. I said there isn't evidence it had an effect. If you make a claim that they used voter roll data, it is on you to present evidence.

As to why did they bother, I will paraphrase another comment I made on another thread. If it were true that homeopathy had no effect, why do people bother?

Analogy fail.

The evidence? Trump, the most unqualified POTUS candidate in history won while Clinton, the most qualified candidate in history lost.

And the proof is in this incompetent piece of crap that is flailing and isn't going make it through the year.

 

[skyeagle409]

Lordy!
I would rather have Pence also, but he is going to do the same thing with the climate hoax as Trump, which I agree with.
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There have been occasions where Pence disagreed with Trump and I don't see Pence in the same light as Trump. Trump is an outright idiot who has angered our allies and has been looking to appease Putin. Trump doesn't have what it takes to be a true politician, which is clearly evident by the way he conducts his business from the White House. Look at Trump's budget and you will see what I mean, which according to a few, is "dead-on-arrival." Trump is ineffective as president and can't seem to get things done because of all of the turmoil and chaos he has created. His travel ban has been halted, his border wall is going nowhere, and don't expect his healthcare bill to pass as is in the Senate. His staff can't seem to tell the truth and have been on the receiving end of jokes, not to mention their comments and explanations have conflicted with one another. Since taking office, there have been firings, resignations, and reassignments and he has only been in office since January! Pence would have much more respect from our allies and I am very sure that Pence is not going to be Putin's sweetheart.

To sum it up, the Trump administration is a complete disaster!!

 

[Darat]

Fine.

What I have found is that Trump was asked if he was thinking about the Russia investigation when he fired Comey. He answered that it was on his mind.
This has been interpreted as him "admitting" that he fired Comey in order to stop the investigation.
But that isn't what he said. He hasn't "outright" admitted to it, as you claim. But if you prefer your interpretation go right ahead.

Please provide a full quote with context. Please be certain that it is not an interpretation of what you think someone thinks, and is actually an explicit and incontrovertible statement.