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Puppycow said:
Basic point being that the resulting Republican platform was not substantially different on the Ukraine question than the status quo Obama policy.
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Not the point though. The point is that the Republican platform was changed. The question is why. Surely not because the Republicans were persuaded that Obama's position was the better one to adopt.
 
CapelDodger said:
Not the point though. The point is that the Republican platform was changed. The question is why. Surely not because the Republicans were persuaded that Obama's position was the better one to adopt.
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I actually haven't seen any evidence that the Republican platform changed. The 2012 GOP platform had no reference to giving lethal weapons to Ukraine, nor would one expect it since the pro-Russian insurgency didn't begin until 2014. Is there a final version of a GOP platform which was changed, or was it only a draft that changed (or perhaps this is just all nonsense)? You claim to know, so I figured you're the one to ask.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I actually haven't seen any evidence that the Republican platform changed. The 2012 GOP platform had no reference to giving lethal weapons to Ukraine, nor would one expect it since the pro-Russian insurgency didn't begin until 2014. Is there a final version of a GOP platform which was changed, or was it only a draft that changed (or perhaps this is just all nonsense)? You claim to know, so I figured you're the one to ask.
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There was a proposed change. The wording was softened. Nobody is disputing this, including Trump himself. Except you apparently.

This is old news. The new information is Diana Deman's revelation that the marching orders came from Trump personally, and the allegation that Manafort's man in Ukraine was in the Russian military, and that he claims involvement in the platform change.
 
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varwoche said:
There was a proposed change. The wording was softened. Nobody is disputing this, including Trump himself. Except you apparently.

This is old news. The new information is Diana Deman's revelation that the marching orders came from Trump personally, and the allegation that Manafort's man in Ukraine was in the Russian military, and that he claims involvement in the platform change.
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I wonder why Trump lied about his involvement. I wonder why his underlings lied.
 
varwoche said:
Whatever the facts of Russian influence, we know that...

  • Trump flat out lied about his relationship with Putin
  • Trump flat out lied about his role in GOP platform concerning Ukraine
  • Manafort flat out lied about his/Trump role in GOP platform
  • Flynn flat out lied about his Russian contacts
  • Trump lied by omission about Flynn's contacts
  • Sessions flat out lied about his Russian contacts
  • Carter Page flat out lied about his Russian contacts
  • Various campaign officials lied about Page's relationship with the campaign
  • Roger Stone flat out lied about his Russian contacts

Did I miss any liars?

That's a whole bunch of lying.
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The thing is, none of it seems to matter. In the past this would have caused a major ruckus with people running around like headless chickens trying to cover up and eventually there would be political fallout.

Now all the Trump administration has to do is to keep shamelessly denying that there and any links and if eventually it becomes undeniable, he'll just say "Meh, no big deal" and be spared any damage.
 
Failed appointee as deputy national security advisor, Monica Crowley, registers as lobbyist for Pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch.

A would-be Trump White House appointee who withdrew in the face of plagiarism allegations is now lobbying on behalf of a Ukrainian oligarch who has recently advocated greater concessions to the Russian government, according to newly filed documents.

Monica Crowley told the Justice Department's National Security Division that she will represent billionaire Victor Pinchuk in discussions with U.S. government officials “and other policy makers” regarding “issues of concern to Mr. Pinchuk.”
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

U.S. Charges Russian FSB Officers and Their Criminal Conspirators for Hacking Yahoo and Millions of Email Accounts
FSB Officers Protected, Directed, Facilitated and Paid Criminal Hackers​

The criminal conduct at issue, carried out and otherwise facilitated by officers from an FSB unit that serves as the FBI’s point of contact in Moscow on cybercrime matters, is beyond the pale,” said Acting Assistant Attorney General McCord.
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I certainly hope this serves as a wake-up call to quit bickering and undertake a very serious investigation of all Russian cyber activity over the last several years, and to concentrate for the moment on Trump officials and collaborators.

Collaborators. I like the sound.
 
Stacko said:
More Flynn Russia connections.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moscow-paid-45000-for-flynns-2015-talk-documents-show-165404052.html
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From that link:

RT, the Russian state-owned television network described by U.S. intelligence officials as “the Kremlin’s principal international propaganda outlet,” paid $45,386 for former Defense Intelligence Agency Director Michael Flynn to fly to Moscow to speak at its 10th anniversary celebration in December 2015, according to documents newly obtained by a congressional committee and provided to Yahoo News.
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Yeah, well, Goldman Sachs paid Hitlery far more for her speeches which is far, far worse.

MAGA !!!11!!!!!!!!11!!!

DRIAN TEH SWAMPZ !!!!!!1!!!!1!!1
 
Stacko said:
Did Rep. Nunes misspeak here or did he mean to say I don't think there's any but one under investigation or surveillance activities in the Trump administration? That's a big thing to let slip if true.
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It is way too weird a sentence structure, with very little stuttering in the relevant part, to be unintentional.

I'll make a prediction that he will at least recuse himself from the upcoming Intelligence committee hearings.

ETA: Anybody know what the follow-up question was? A proper journalist would jump on that. Because, even ONE person inside the WH under investigation or surveillance, as suggested by Nunes, should be BIG. There's not much mainstream news fallout from that statement, though, as far as I can see. I don't think that means no one has noticed, or understood the significance, in mainstream media. It appears that mainstream media in the USA is treading extremely carefully recently. They don't want to push the wrong button.
 
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applecorped said:
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16...-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/


“On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire at all,” he said, adding, “There’s no little campfire, there’s no little candle, there’s no spark. And there’s a lot of people looking for it.”
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It would be nice to state in your quote who "he" is...

(it's Obama's former acting CIA chief Michael Morell, who left in 2013.)
 
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