All Red Meat is Bad for You

[jt512]

Average years-to-death in the lowest four Qs was 89 years. Q5 was 71.

Where are you getting those numbers from? I don't see them in the paper, nor do I see any way of calculating them from the paper.

Jay

 

[Nasty Neil]

1. To heck with all these numbers. The FACTS are that every person in Colorado OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF AGE ATE MEAT TWICE A DAY!

END OF STORY!

2. The FACTS are these animals who do NOT eat meat are FAT. (Hypos, Rinos, Elepheants) While the ones who do EAT meat ARE NOT FAT! (Lions, Cheeta's,
etc)

3. The FACTS are those who do not eat meat because we have to Kill other living animals to do so are HYPOCRITES as LIVING THINGS STILL have to KILLED to Feed them!

NO ONE can give ONE reason which is NON-Emotional & NON-Religious which is also a logical, rational and intelligent reason Why ANY Life has Any MORE VALUE than ANY other life has.

SO Logically, Rationally and Intellectually, the FACTS ARE that ANY Grain, Fruit, Fish, Plant, etc., etc. has JUST a much Right to Life as does ANY animal or human!

SO PETA. "ET AL" GO EAT DIRT and ROCKS!

(Even if they did only eat rocks and dirt, they would still be KILLING the microbes in, or on, the rocks and in the dirt.)

BOTTOM LINE? ENJOY LIFE! EAT WHAT YOU ENJOY EATING!

 

[BravesFan]

Nasty Neil is my new favorite poster!!

Well said!!

 

[Nasty Neil]

THANKS MAN!

I hope you still feel the same way on all my posts as I disagree with most people on most things most of the time, This is because most people are rather uninformed, not too logical or rational and are first brain thinkers nearly all, if not all of the time.

IF you want to know a little about me go to the "New People Thread" Page 20, #761.

Please, Take Care!

NastyNeil

 

[jt512]

1. To heck with all these numbers. The FACTS are that every person in Colorado OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF AGE ATE MEAT TWICE A DAY!

END OF STORY!

2. The FACTS are these animals who do NOT eat meat are FAT. (Hypos, Rinos, Elepheants) While the ones who do EAT meat ARE NOT FAT! (Lions, Cheeta's,
etc)

3. The FACTS are those who do not eat meat because we have to Kill other living animals to do so are HYPOCRITES as LIVING THINGS STILL have to KILLED to Feed them!

NO ONE can give ONE reason which is NON-Emotional & NON-Religious which is also a logical, rational and intelligent reason Why ANY Life has Any MORE VALUE than ANY other life has.

SO Logically, Rationally and Intellectually, the FACTS ARE that ANY Grain, Fruit, Fish, Plant, etc., etc. has JUST a much Right to Life as does ANY animal or human!

SO PETA. "ET AL" GO EAT DIRT and ROCKS!

(Even if they did only eat rocks and dirt, they would still be KILLING the microbes in, or on, the rocks and in the dirt.)

BOTTOM LINE? ENJOY LIFE! EAT WHAT YOU ENJOY EATING!

One of us does not understand the meaning of "skepticism." I suspect that it's the one of us who types the most capital letters, but admittedly, that is only a speculation.

Jay

 

[jt512]

THANKS MAN!

I hope you still feel the same way on all my posts as I disagree with most people on most things most of the time, This is because most people are rather uninformed, not too logical or rational and are first brain thinkers nearly all, if not all of the time.

Thank you for confirming my speculation.

Jay

 

[BravesFan]

THANKS MAN!

I hope you still feel the same way on all my posts as I disagree with most people on most things most of the time, This is because most people are rather uninformed, not too logical or rational and are first brain thinkers nearly all, if not all of the time.

IF you want to know a little about me go to the "New People Thread" Page 20, #761.

Please, Take Care!

NastyNeil

Whoaa slow down there Tiger.

Disagreement for the sake of it is lame. Ponder, consider, weigh the evidence and make you conclusions. That's the way to do it.

 

[Roboramma]

1. To heck with all these numbers. The FACTS are that every person in Colorado OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF AGE ATE MEAT TWICE A DAY!

That may (I don't know, but wouldn't be that surprised) be a fact, but what conclusion do you think it leads you to?

To me it suggests that people in Colorado generally eat meat at least twice/day (or at least did during the formative years of centenarians), and that it's possible to live more than 100 years while eating meat at least twice/day.

2. The FACTS are these animals who do NOT eat meat are FAT. (Hypos, Rinos, Elepheants) While the ones who do EAT meat ARE NOT FAT! (Lions, Cheeta's,etc)

From which you are drawing what conclusion? That eating meat causes animals to have less body fat? Something else?
Remember: correlation is not causation.

3. The FACTS are those who do not eat meat because we have to Kill other living animals to do so are HYPOCRITES as LIVING THINGS STILL have to KILLED to Feed them!

Fair enough, but I don't anyone who fits the description you just gave.
Some don't eat meat because specific species of animal have to be killed in order for them to do so, but that's rather different.

NO ONE can give ONE reason which is NON-Emotional & NON-Religious which is also a logical, rational and intelligent reason Why ANY Life has Any MORE VALUE than ANY other life has.

I suspect that given your criteria no one can give any such reason why anything has value.

SO Logically, Rationally and Intellectually, the FACTS ARE that ANY Grain, Fruit, Fish, Plant, etc., etc. has JUST a much Right to Life as does ANY animal or human!

SO PETA. "ET AL" GO EAT DIRT and ROCKS!

Personally I'm going to go eat my cousin for lunch.

BOTTOM LINE? ENJOY LIFE! EAT WHAT YOU ENJOY EATING!

Why? Do you put more value on people eating what they enjoy eating than on them not doing so? If so, why?

 

[gabeygoat]

As far as the difference between eating a bacteria and eating your dog goes, I think Michael Shermer's book The Science of Good and Evil gives a pretty reasonable evolution based theory on why humans feel more morally obligated towards mammals. Basically, in a sort of "selfish-gene" way, our loyalties lie in Family>Tribe>Nation>Mammals>Animals>Complex Oraganisms etc...

 

[Lowpro]

1. To heck with all these numbers. The FACTS are that every person in Colorado OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF AGE ATE MEAT TWICE A DAY!

END OF STORY!

2. The FACTS are these animals who do NOT eat meat are FAT. (Hypos, Rinos, Elepheants) While the ones who do EAT meat ARE NOT FAT! (Lions, Cheeta's,
etc)

3. The FACTS are those who do not eat meat because we have to Kill other living animals to do so are HYPOCRITES as LIVING THINGS STILL have to KILLED to Feed them!

NO ONE can give ONE reason which is NON-Emotional & NON-Religious which is also a logical, rational and intelligent reason Why ANY Life has Any MORE VALUE than ANY other life has.

SO Logically, Rationally and Intellectually, the FACTS ARE that ANY Grain, Fruit, Fish, Plant, etc., etc. has JUST a much Right to Life as does ANY animal or human!

SO PETA. "ET AL" GO EAT DIRT and ROCKS!

(Even if they did only eat rocks and dirt, they would still be KILLING the microbes in, or on, the rocks and in the dirt.)

BOTTOM LINE? ENJOY LIFE! EAT WHAT YOU ENJOY EATING!

Never one to let actual science get in the way of stroking yourself (pun intended)

 

[megaresp]

The FACTS are those who do not eat meat because we have to Kill other living animals to do so are HYPOCRITES as LIVING THINGS STILL have to KILLED to Feed them!

You rock fella!

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

2. The FACTS are these animals who do NOT eat meat are FAT. (Hypos, Rinos, Elepheants) While the ones who do EAT meat ARE NOT FAT! (Lions, Cheeta's, etc)

You picked the fattest herbivores you could think of for your examples. Whitetails are pretty lean and so are a lot of other tasty critters. Then there are a bunch of fat, meat-eating people. Would you be swayed by an arguement that whitetails are lean and Rush Limbaugh is fat, therefore meat eating is bad?

NSFW - whitetail in the back of my truck

 

[NeilC]

This red meat thing is annoying. I have a alternative nutritionalist friend who has been harping on about red meat and milk being bad for you for years and I've been giving her the skeptical treatment. Now this year Harvard take milk off their healthy plate and now red meat's looking bad too. Looks like I might have to get her recipe for mung bean salad afterall

 

[BravesFan]

Hmmm, anyone ever consider that we could never have ascended to our intelligent apex predator glory without meat? Our brains take a lot of energy to work at this level and if we were herbivores it never would have occurred. Herbivores have to spend too much tim eating and digesting to become intelligent . Predators have to plan, critical think improvise.

In a sense, being an omnivore is WHY we are as intelligent as we are!

 

[NeilC]

Hmmm, anyone ever consider that we could never have ascended to our intelligent apex predator glory without meat? Our brains take a lot of energy to work at this level and if we were herbivores it never would have occurred. Herbivores have to spend too much tim eating and digesting to become intelligent . Predators have to plan, critical think improvise.

In a sense, being an omnivore is WHY we are as intelligent as we are!

Quite probably true but not necessarily relevant to the question of the healthiness of eating red meat today.

We get the vast majority of our deaths from cancers and heart disease when we're over 50. It's quite possible that we were not living that long back then.

 

[BravesFan]

I've always been of the opinion that moderation in all things, even excess, is probably the best course of action. Is it good for you to eat a 18 rib eye? probably not, but it's prolly not too bad for you to have a 10 oz ribeye once a week.

Life is too short to spend it denying yourself the things you enjoy, but at the same time , it isn't long enough that you don't want to miss out on the last 10 years because you blew up the first 60 either.

Live life, enjoy life, eat what you want, but be bloody reasonable!

 

[Modified]

Quite probably true but not necessarily relevant to the question of the healthiness of eating red meat today.

We get the vast majority of our deaths from cancers and heart disease when we're over 50. It's quite possible that we were not living that long back then.

Not to mention there is more to health than longevity. For me, an important part of being healthy is not being a saggy, pasty-skinned hippie.