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Alien Visitation Contact Proof

jsfisher said:
cjdelphi,

Multiple times you have bragged about your skills and accomplishments by citing examples like the above. Do you realize how pedestrian these examples are? Your audio-over-a-laser-beam example (previously cited) is middle school science fair level. As others have noted, your pump controller example (cited above) is more Rube Goldberg than practical, and in terms of demonstrating advanced electronics and programming skills, it fails miserably.

So, why do you try to impress us with this trivia?
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Narcissism, being one of the dark triad attributes of the internet troll, would fit the bill. I find it amusing that this internet know-it-all can never admit when they are wrong, which is also in line with a narcissistic personality. The most recent mistake has not yet been pointed out, so I will. The claim was made that "anyone with any experience will know IR only works if the camera is outside", but here is an "anyone with any experience" that has a full web page giving instructions on several methods to do just that from behind a window.

https://www.howtogeek.com/407363/how-to-make-a-security-cameras-night-vision-work-through-a-window/

Truth, knowledge and critical thinking skills are in short supply with this one.
 
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@Thermal. When I see atrociusly ill-written posts, jumbles that don't make sense, I surmise that they're not keyboard work, but rather dictated into a mike and auto transcribed. Naive posters will omit punctuation commands (for the good reason that they've never heard of them) and assume that their run-on screeds are state of the art.

Further, as we all know, voice transcription apps take time to learn a user's idiolect, which includes the sounds of a language peculiar to an individual speaker. I wonder if any app ever gets letter perfect; I doubt it, given the variability of speech: accent, emphasis, tone, mispronunciation, omissions, nonce elisions, etc.

Imagine you're a poor little robot crowded onto a phone chip and forced to make written English out of beer-clouded OzSpeech with a background of zzzzt noises, harsh breathing, pop music, and a fed-up wife. You'd have to turn out a pretty lame product, reckon. 'S all dream times inna bleeden woopwoop, too right?

Your shout, mugg.
 

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sackett said:
@Thermal. When I see atrociusly ill-written posts, jumbles that don't make sense, I surmise that they're not keyboard work, but rather dictated into a mike and auto transcribed. Naive posters will omit punctuation commands (for the good reason that they've never heard of them) and assume that their run-on screeds are state of the art.

Further, as we all know, voice transcription apps take time to learn a user's idiolect, which includes the sounds of a language peculiar to an individual speaker. I wonder if any app ever gets letter perfect; I doubt it, given the variability of speech: accent, emphasis, tone, mispronunciation, omissions, nonce elisions, etc.

Imagine you're a poor little robot crowded onto a phone chip and forced to make written English out of beer-clouded OzSpeech with a background of zzzzt noises, harsh breathing, pop music, and a fed-up wife. You'd have to turn out a pretty lame product, reckon. 'S all dream times inna bleeden woopwoop, too right?

Your shout, mugg.
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I am responding with my phone's text to type feature. Let me see how it does. I have used this feature maybe twice in my life, and this is older Android phone.
 
Dunno, hommes. My crap phone came up roses.

Eta: it even caught my saying "text to type" instead of "talk to text" or whatever the **** they call this. I said the words "period" and "comma", but otherwise babbled in my normal speaking voice. It missed the article "an" right before "older".
 
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Maybe I'm just not motivated enough to dive into this nonsense, but honestly I've looked at all the videos and stills and don't see anything really unusual about it, its just mundane highly pixelated, compressed, blurry footage that reminds me oh so much of the blobsquatch videos, all sorts of inferences drawn from vagueness. I don't see any 'light on tree' or alien 'search beam'--just what I would expect to see from a crappy camera recording a power outage.

Why is there this insistence that there can't be lights seen during a power outage, for example? When my neighborhood experiences a power outage, there are a nearly infinite source of potential lights, from people with generators lighting their lights, to candles, flashlights, auto lights, even drones these days...not to mention the endless source of lights outside the immediate vicinity--lights from distant aircraft, distant town lights--all of which can easily be picked up by a camera in low light conditions, which makes even the dullest environmental light seem like some sort of light show--flares and beams galore. But nothing alien.

I live in the forest, with power lines strung from tree to tree (rather haphazardly and foolishly in. places...) and I'm pretty sure if I had a good reason to record one of the occasional power outages we get, I could capture something a lot more interesting than this fluff. If I didn't suffer from morals and ethics perhaps I could market it as the new phase of this alien invasion.
 
Only time I tested a voice to text app, it fumbled my palimpsest accent (Wyoming, Colorado, Massachusetts, Dirtroit, Elmer Fudd, hell I dunno whatall) into a kind of Tok Pisin. Oddly, though, when I read it an Italian phrase from the back label on a wine bottle, it performed with absolute perfection .

Denominazzione d'origine controlatta.

A quaint relic of fascism?
 
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cjdelphi said:
... however this light we see is 5 seconds after the power goes out so in the frame of the lights being dimmer right before the second goes missing, fro the 8th second when it starts dimming until the very last frame recorded of that 8th second, you clearly see that power fading out after the power drops out

As that light gets across and it focuses down onto the lath that's where I compared the image of the last frame before the time skip and 5 seconds later with the second light beam we see

Did you see that?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iMVa5ABQ3b750jOFaiXeYaOY2vx80E3S/view?usp=drivesdk

The frame before the video drops out.. and the frame 5 seconds later, they are identical ...
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I have to tell you I find it really hard to parse your writing for meaning.

But I do gather that you think the flash that lights some of the tree leaves just as the power is failing also repeats 5 seconds later. I agree.

Here again are the two patches I circled which show up brighter just as everything else is getting dimmer at the start of the power cut.


Five seconds later the same patches are lit again, captured in two frames, the final one being brightest.




In the frame following that one, the light in the trees disappears but the LED lamp which shines down on the pot plants glows a bit.

So I'm now pretty much convinced the first flash is a poor bat getting electrocuted and five seconds later an attempted reconnection produces another big flash at the same spot, which disconnects the power and the momentary connection just puts enough energy into the LED power supply for the lamp to glow briefly.

That's my view. Feel free to try to convince me you have a more plausible explanation, but please without appeals to magic.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I have to tell you I find it really hard to parse your writing for meaning.

But I do gather that you think the flash that lights some of the tree leaves just as the power is failing also repeats 5 seconds later. I agree.

Here again are the two patches I circled which show up brighter just as everything else is getting dimmer at the start of the power cut.
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_3561962f668df48d7e.jpg[/qimg]

Five seconds later the same patches are lit again, captured in two frames, the final one being brightest.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_3561962f8075bcc58d.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_3561962f8078953e5b.jpg[/qimg]

In the frame following that one, the light in the trees disappears but the LED lamp which shines down on the pot plants glows a bit.

So I'm now pretty much convinced the first flash is a poor bat getting electrocuted and five seconds later an attempted reconnection produces another big flash at the same spot, which disconnects the power and the momentary connection just puts enough energy into the LED power supply for the lamp to glow briefly.

That's my view. Feel free to try to convince me you have a more plausible explanation, but please without appeals to magic.
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Well, your explanation makes a lot more sense to me than 'aliens' but I am not seeing quite what you are seeing, to me that 'bluish' light is indistinguishable from the ambient light between the trees, it's just shining through the trees, those light patches just look like ambient light in the background. What am I not seeing? With camera optics, the colors you see in the pixels are not necessarily natural colors. With chromatic aberration for example, the fringe colors are not 'real' per se, it's just light dispersion. To me, it just looks like crappy video.
 
stanfr said:
Maybe I'm just not motivated enough to dive into this nonsense, but honestly I've looked at all the videos and stills and don't see anything really unusual about it, its just mundane highly pixelated, compressed, blurry footage that reminds me oh so much of the blobsquatch videos...
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I agreed until I saw the one feature that's actually interesting. The one frame which captures all the lights dimming as the power cut first begins has a couple of patches which anomalously get brighter instead, just as everything else in the picture is getting dimmer.

Now since we know the power company claimed a bat got electrocuted (and we learned independently that happens many dozens of times per year) we could expect there to be a flash *somewhere* nearby. That light in the trees seems like a perfect candidate.

But if that was the fault which caused the power cut, and reconnection failed implying the fault was still present, we should expect to see a repeat of the same flash a few seconds later.

And of course we do. Pretty much case closed.

Bats minus one, aliens nil.
 
stanfr said:
Well, your explanation makes a lot more sense to me than 'aliens' but I am not seeing quite what you are seeing, to me that 'bluish' light is indistinguishable from the ambient light between the trees...
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Sorry, we posted out of synch with each other.

The patches of leaves I circled appear to be background objects (the larger patch seemingly viewed through a gap in the crook of the foreground tree). So they're actually fairly high up, above rooftop height, and presumably have line of sight to wherever batty met his maker.

Like I said, in the frame which shows the beginning of the original power cut, everything in the frame is dimmer than the previous frame except for those high up leaves which are actually brighter than the previous frame. That's a pretty sure fire indicator that the flash of the electrical fault lights up those leaves.

Five seconds into the power cut those same leaves go, in the space of four frames, from dark, to lit, to brightly lit, to dark again. That's the attempt to reconnect the power, and which immediately drops again as the fault is still present.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Sorry, we posted out of synch with each other.

The patches of leaves I circled appear to be background objects (the larger patch seemingly viewed through a gap in the crook of the foreground tree). So they're actually fairly high up, above rooftop height, and presumably have line of sight to wherever batty met his maker.

Like I said, in the frame which shows the beginning of the original power cut, everything in the frame is dimmer than the previous frame except for those high up leaves which are actually brighter than the previous frame. That's a pretty sure fire indicator that the flash of the electrical fault lights up those leaves.

Five seconds into the power cut those same leaves go, in the space of four frames, from dark, to lit, to brightly lit, to dark again. That's the attempt to reconnect the power, and which immediately drops again as the fault is still present.
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OK, that makes sense--I am not sure it is the only explanation but it is far better than the OP's. That's the problem, there are many possible explanations and to expect us to chose the one that makes the most sense to the OP is pointless (since aliens will always win out) I am not an electrical expert despite having an MS in the physical sciences, but I do know a bit about cameras since that is my job, and I think the OP may be underestimating just how many weird things a cheap security cam can do when under stress LOL. Those light changes for example could simply be the camera trying to adjust to the conditions, since it is a cheap camera it is struggling to deal with the low light and all sorts of glitches are possible as it tries to readjust. If the OP were so inclined, he could certainly put the camera through some tests and probably come up with some equally fascinating glitches--of course he won't do that.
 
stanfr said:
Well, your explanation makes a lot more sense to me than 'aliens' but I am not seeing quite what you are seeing, to me that 'bluish' light is indistinguishable from the ambient light between the trees, it's just shining through the trees, those light patches just look like ambient light in the background. What am I not seeing? With camera optics, the colors you see in the pixels are not necessarily natural colors. With chromatic aberration for example, the fringe colors are not 'real' per se, it's just light dispersion. To me, it just looks like crappy video.
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Jack by the hedge said:
Sorry, we posted out of synch with each other.

The patches of leaves I circled appear to be background objects (the larger patch seemingly viewed through a gap in the crook of the foreground tree). So they're actually fairly high up, above rooftop height, and presumably have line of sight to wherever batty met his maker.

Like I said, in the frame which shows the beginning of the original power cut, everything in the frame is dimmer than the previous frame except for those high up leaves which are actually brighter than the previous frame. That's a pretty sure fire indicator that the flash of the electrical fault lights up those leaves.

Five seconds into the power cut those same leaves go, in the space of four frames, from dark, to lit, to brightly lit, to dark again. That's the attempt to reconnect the power, and which immediately drops again as the fault is still present.
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Et al.


Wow! Actual reasonable thought-out discussion with no hubris. That IS refreshing after all the adolescent playground style used by another poster.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
I have to tell you I find it really hard to parse your writing for meaning.

But I do gather that you think the flash that lights some of the tree leaves just as the power is failing also repeats 5 seconds later. I agree.

Here again are the two patches I circled which show up brighter just as everything else is getting dimmer at the start of the power cut.

(Image snipped)

Five seconds later the same patches are lit again, captured in two frames, the final one being brightest.

(Images snipped)

In the frame following that one, the light in the trees disappears but the LED lamp which shines down on the pot plants glows a bit.

So I'm now pretty much convinced the first flash is a poor bat getting electrocuted and five seconds later an attempted reconnection produces another big flash at the same spot, which disconnects the power and the momentary connection just puts enough energy into the LED power supply for the lamp to glow briefly.

That's my view. Feel free to try to convince me you have a more plausible explanation, but please without appeals to magic.
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It's a workable idea, but we need to demonstrate whatever it is the poor bat hit is in the vicinity. It doesn't work if the transformer(?) is behind cjdelphi's house.
 
jsfisher said:
cjdelphi,

Multiple times you have bragged about your skills and accomplishments by citing examples like the above. Do you realize how pedestrian these examples are? Your audio-over-a-laser-beam example (previously cited) is middle school science fair level. As others have noted, your pump controller example (cited above) is more Rube Goldberg than practical, and in terms of demonstrating advanced electronics and programming skills, it fails miserably.

So, why do you try to impress us with this trivia?
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Also, and to the point, the projects he mentioned (like most electronics) are low-power devices for the general purpose of collecting and/or processing information. Systems designed to distribute large amounts of power are a quite different design space, even though some of the concepts and terminology ("voltage," "circuit," etc.) are the same.

For example, despite it being explained multiple times in this thread, he has not acknowledged the existence or functionality of a recloser, or indicated any understanding of what it does, why it's desirable for it to do what it does, or how it differs from the kind of relay he might use to turn a pump motor on and off.
 
Blue Mountain said:
It's a workable idea, but we need to demonstrate whatever it is the poor bat hit is in the vicinity. It doesn't work if the transformer(?) is behind cjdelphi's house.
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Well, I hesitate to do anything that might have even the scent of doxxing but as the OP linked a helpful map showing lamp location and street names it was the work of moments to do a Google streetview stroll along neighbouring roads and find this transformer about 75m from the camera and directly behind the house opposite.



A flash from here caused by an unwise bat would light the treetops in front of the OP's house but not illuminate things at ground level.

<edit to add> It's the only transformer I can find nearby. I presume it's the likely source of this kind of fault as it's where the three phase HT wires come close enough together to be contacted by an animal the size of a bat. I stand to be corrected of course. The street behind the camera's point of view does not have overhead utilities like this, their power cables are presumably buried.
 
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I have not followed every little detail here, but are we to assume that the camera in question is digital? The reason I ask is that, assuming a digital camera with auto exposure and also auto white balance, it's important to remember that auto white balance is based, not actually on white balance (which is actually impossible), but on an algorithmic guess based on exposure. It's very clever, and works pretty well. But while we can make certain deductions regarding color, the finer points of color, especially relative blue levels, would be tenuous at best as proof of anything, especially in unusual conditions.

By the way, I don't know how things are done in Australia, but I sure would not want to be in a district where a non-human "recloser" tries the electricity without a human being having hunted down and repaired the fault. Around here, we use either tripping breakers or fuses, so as not to electrocute line workers and rescue squads and firefighters and the like. A human being turns the power back on either by resetting the breaker or replacing a fuse, only after the fault is found and fixed.
 
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