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Alien Visitation Contact Proof

That last post of cjdelphi's seems a little out of control. Rambling sentences that hardly even bothered with punctuation. Hope we didn't upset the little feller? by persisting in asking for actual evidence.
 
All these pages because there was a power-outage, a weird sound, and a light he can't explain which somehow proves this was an extraterrestrial encounter.

But this is somehow different than when people with equally mundane video footage claim encounters with ghosts, or angels, or other kinds of woo.

No additional photographs of the location. No video footage of attempts to recreate the footage, even if only to try to support the claims.

Nothing changes.
 
Axxman300 said:
All these pages because there was a power-outage, a weird sound, and a light he can't explain which somehow proves this was an extraterrestrial encounter.

But this is somehow different than when people with equally mundane video footage claim encounters with ghosts, or angels, or other kinds of woo.

No additional photographs of the location. No video footage of attempts to recreate the footage, even if only to try to support the claims.

Nothing changes.
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Woo never changes.
Expect another cycle of futility by another deluded soul shortly.
(Or just celebrate the ones we still have with us.)
 
Mojo said:
I would have thought that having a power outage every time someone tries to drive their car would be kind of inconvenient.
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I would have thought that the staggering amount of ionizing particle radiation produced by any sort of ionic reaction engine adequate to move vehicles around near the surface of the earth would be even more inconvenient.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I would have thought that the staggering amount of ionizing particle radiation produced by any sort of ionic reaction engine adequate to move vehicles around near the surface of the earth would be even more inconvenient.
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This idea has come up a couple of times in the thread and this is a slightly worse version of it.

There is no need for the downdraft of an ion engine to be any more dangerous than the downdraft of a helicopter of the same size. You might have some specialized need to go out of your way to make it dangerous but it doesn't have to be (think Harrier Jump Jet here).

And the current mechanisms that we humans use to move air (in the atmosphere) via ion thrusters don't emit ions at all, the ions recombine inside the thruster. And most of the air they move is never ionized in the first place. In fact, whether it's an ion thruster in the atmosphere or in space, the exhaust has to be net neutral even if it's still ionized. The thruster won't work if that isn't the case.

And the part that makes your suggestion a bit more wrong than the earlier ones is the phrase "ionizing particle radiation" which isn't the correct phrase. We are talking ionized air. Which is something you experience during thunderstorms to no ill effect. I'm not sure if even our space based ion thrusters produce particles at speeds that would be consider radiation, but they might be. ETA: Exhaust velocity of our currently operating space based ion thrusters is 1% of 1% of the speed of light, so, no, not radiation. And, again, those are the thrusters operated in space.
 
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Summary:

"How could lights have come on and an electronic sound happen during a power outage, unless there was a beam from an alien spaceship?"

"Actually, there's a device in general use that re-applies power to the lines a few seconds after the start of an outage, briefly if the fault condition is still present, with exactly the timing the video shows, which is often observed to cause fixtures to partially start up, causing lights to flicker and odd sounds."

"Like I said, there's no way the lights could have have come on and an electronic sound happen during a power outage, so there must have been a beam from an alien spaceship."
 
Hellbound said:
Am I the only one who mentally “heard” that like the opening lines in the Fallout games?

“Woo. Woo never changes.”

:D


Sent from my volcanic island lair using carrier pigeon.
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"It's the chems, Kid. They give me the sight."

Mama Murphy
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
There is no need for the downdraft of an ion engine to be any more dangerous than the downdraft of a helicopter of the same size.
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However, the downdraft of a helicopter the size of a vehicle capable of travelling between Earth orbit and the surface and returning would probably be pretty noticeable for anyone directly underneath it.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
However, the downdraft of a helicopter the size of a vehicle capable of travelling between Earth orbit and the surface and returning would probably be pretty noticeable for anyone directly underneath it.
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Note that I wasn't addressing "noticeable". Helicopters are noticeable. I was just explaining how actual ion thrusters work and how future ones might be expected to actually work. I'm practically off-topic for this thread.
 
sts60 said:
I never really understood his insistence on the “ion drive” thing. An ion drive works by hurling ions out at great speed, in a collimated beam, to provide thrust. If a spaceship is hovering over the ground using an ion drive, it’s throwing out enough ions to provide thrust equal to its weight. That’s literally what a rocket is.

Rockets can use compressed nitrogen, water (like the fun pump-up water rocket toys), combustion products (i.e., the vast majority of rockets), charged particles (like ion drives), plasma (like VASIMR), or anything else that throws stuff in the opposite of the direction you want to go. If you mount Ma Deuce in the back of your spaceship and pull the trigger, you would have the Fifty Caliber Machine Gun Drive.

Ion drives are low-thrust and high-efficiency by nature, and are excellent for interplanetary applications that can accommodate leisurely maneuvers. You could build something to let you maneuver down near the ground, but it would be as inconspicuous as Thor whirling Mjolnir to smite his homicidal elder sister. And it would make a mess of anything it was hovering over.

That’s the inescapable physical nature of how it works. Ion drives aren’t magic, which is why I suggested to the OP that he invoke something like antigravity, which could accommodate his observations rather than contradict them. But he wasn’t willing to learn. Pity.
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I sort off raised the same issue in post 1191 of this thread and was somewhat disabused of my suppositions. In any case "ion drive" seems to be a substitute for magic. Forget electromagnetic effects. I'm sure the acoustic ones would be enough to wake the soundest sleeper. ;)
 
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