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William Parcher said:
The image contains at least one optical illusion. A leaf, flower or other plant structure in the foreground is causing a false outline at first glance. You think you can see the origin of the tail at about the genital/butt area but you are really seeing that whitish plant. This causes confusion about the length, thickness and taper of the supposed tail. Look...
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I also think a similar thing is occurring in the grass/leaf cluster at the animal's haunch.
 
How would a person begin to argue that this is not the true outline?

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I received an e-mail which showed the results of a critter-cam at a watering spot in Texas.
One cougar was filmed, and for scale, some "undocumented probationary citizens" on their way north.
Can't locate those images!
Drat! :)
 
That's one. I purged my e-mail list sadly, so those images are gone.
 
@McHaggis: I think it's good that you are looking for actual evidence, and it seems you are attempting to be careful about it. That's very encouraging.

I live in the Rocky Mountains and we really do have big cats here. But you know, there is evidence all over the place. Right now I am combing the mountains for mushrooms, and I find hair, scat, tracks and the occasional long-dead deer. I've also seen dead ones in the back of a person's pick-up truck because there is a hunting season for them, and some of the local people are very good hunters. Once we even saw a dead one along side of the road that had been hit by a car.

The cats don't just float through the air and appear, they have a definite impact on the environment.

One thing they have going for them in the Rockies, they have a prey base of deer. I think Rolfe has mentioned that there really is no prey base to sustain a breeding population of big cats in England. I suppose one may get loose from a zoo, or there may be an escaped "pet" somewhere, but it does not seem very likely that there is a breeding population of big cats there. However, if you find good concrete evidence (more than blurry photographs), that would certainly be very exciting.

I'd still wonder what the heck they were eating, though.
 
The occasional cougar sighting locally (wandering through the community for example) where there's not a great amount of free-running prey interests me.
All the dogs are kept in yards, it's only the feral cats that seem to get taken, but a cat can't keep a lion fed for long.
The jack rabbits, not much more meat than a cat.
Couple bobcats appear frequently, but they're much smaller than lions.
I've seen lion tracks, but not a lion, and have seen the bobcats.
 
McHaggis said:
..But no matter what measurements are taken, or comparison animals viewed,..
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Regardless, for the sake of discussion could you supply us with the measurements you took and the reference photos? EXIF info from the original photo and certainly the technical specs of the camera from its manual may be some help to determine the size of the animal (or parts we can see).
 
EHocking said:
Regardless, for the sake of discussion could you supply us with the measurements you took and the reference photos? EXIF info from the original photo and certainly the technical specs of the camera from its manual may be some help to determine the size of the animal (or parts we can see).
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The user manual for the Moultrie Game Spy D40 is available here:
http://www.moultriefeeders.com/ProductInstructions/GameCameras/default

[I couldn't see anything useful.]

A friend, who does biological surveys for a living, reckons the grass is Holcus mollis, about 40-50 cm tall, with a young foxglove in the foreground no more than 50-60cm tall.

Shoulder height of otter - 30cm
http://www.grid.unep.ch/bsein/redbook/txt/lutra.htm? MAMMALIA

Do you, McHaggis, have any pictures showing the depth of the track in relation to the surrounding vegetation?
 
sphenisc said:
The user manual for the Moultrie Game Spy D40 is available here:
http://www.moultriefeeders.com/ProductInstructions/GameCameras/default

[I couldn't see anything useful.]
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Yes, it's the condensed version. About the only useful bit was that the IR "FOV" is 22o. I read in a review that the lens FOV is less than that, so at least we'd get an approximation of size, even if it was an overestimation.

I was hoping for more from the complete user manual.
A friend, who does biological surveys for a living, reckons the grass is Holcus mollis, about 40-50 cm tall, with a young foxglove in the foreground no more than 50-60cm tall.

Shoulder height of otter - 30cm
http://www.grid.unep.ch/bsein/redbook/txt/lutra.htm? MAMMALIA
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That was my next ?? Why is an otter (known to reside in the area) being ruled out here by the BigCat proponents in favour of an exotic cat (not shown to reside in the area)?
Do you, McHaggis, have any pictures showing the depth of the track in relation to the surrounding vegetation?
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He has measurements and reference photos that he used to determine the size of the subject in the photo.
I've asked for a peek at 'em too.
 
Panther-like cat spotted in Wolverhampton

A large panther-like cat has been seen lurking in trees near Wolverhampton by alarmed passers-by. Local dog walkers have even been warned to take extra care.

Retired union officer Andrew Hall alerted police to the potential danger. The 55-year-old was on the phone in his kitchen when he saw what he thought was a black bin liner stuck in a tree beyond his back garden.

He said: "But as I talked I saw the shape move and realised that it was a living creature, about as big as a German Shepherd. People will probably think Im a nutter but it was definitely a cat by the way it very tenderly came down the tree and arched its back."

Mr Hall dropped the phone and ran into the garden, before dashing to get his camera to capture the creature on film. "I realised dogs don't climb trees but by the time I returned I was too excited to press the right buttons on my camera so the pictures aren't that clear," he added. "It was such a shock. I went from excitement to fright the first thing I thought of was all the children and old age pensioners that live round here."

The grandfather-of-two described the animal as pure black with a tail about two-feet long in a tree behind shops in Blackhalve Lane.
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Oh yeah, that's a leopard alright. The photo caption says it's believed to be a puma. Don't folks understand that pumas aren't black? "People will probably think Im a nutter..." It's not about what people think - it's about you actually being a nutter. You are one.
 

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William Parcher said:
Panther-like cat spotted in Wolverhampton



Oh yeah, that's a leopard alright. The photo caption says it's believed to be a puma. Don't folks understand that pumas aren't black? "People will probably think Im a nutter..." It's not about what people think - it's about you actually being a nutter. You are one.
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It probably is the outline of the tree.

This also shows one of the problems with photos. Trees are not black either, yet the shape is black. All what is happening is that the part of the tree that looks like a puma has actually got very little light reaching it. If there was an animal there and the animal was between the camera and the sun then it could look dark, even if it was a polar bear up the tree.
 
It's a frikkin tabby cat (if I'm looking at the right bit of the photo). It's even got a white patch on its chest that runs up under its chin.

Sizewise it looks pretty much the same as when my cats are up a tree, especially the big fluffy one
 
The Don said:
It's a frikkin tabby cat (if I'm looking at the right bit of the photo). It's even got a white patch on its chest that runs up under its chin.

Sizewise it looks pretty much the same as when my cats are up a tree, especially the big fluffy one
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That's what I thought. Unless it's artifacts on the photo, I can see the stripes on its freaking tail.
 
Photographs of extremely rare South China Tiger...

Bao Shuguang, the tourist who shot the photos, insisted that his photos were real but he could not be sure whether the animal was a tiger or not. Bao said he visited Sanqing Mountain with his friends on Oct. 15 and found a yellow animal about 100 meters in front of him in the afternoon. Although he yelled "Tiger!" and shot 4 vague photos of it, he could not make sure that it was a tiger. Two or three minutes later, the animal walked into the woods.

Many tourists also saw the animal at the time. However, the photos they shot were even more unclear.

...one expert from Zhongshan University said it looked very much like a South China tiger after he saw the photo.
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LOL! :p
 

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William Parcher said:
Photographs of extremely rare South China Tiger...



LOL! :p
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That cat will kill you, William Parcher. It's going to come out of that tree and give you the ankle-gnawing of a lifetime! Then it's going to lap out of a saucer of cream, play with a rubber mouse for a while, and take a nap without even worrying about the state of your poor mauled ankles.
 
West Wales farmers terrified by big cat attacks.

Farmer Malcolm MacPhee, of Great Redford Farm, said "The sheep had its shoulder ripped off, with the flesh stripped off to expose its ribcage, while claw marks could be seen along its carcass."

Big cat consultant and expert tracker Danny Nineham said: "...there are a lot of big cats in West Wales, I've seen them myself, and investigated a number of sightings in Pembrokeshire. We've got leopards, black leopards or panthers, pumas, American bobcats, you name it."

Another Princes Gate farmer, Alan Williams, was adamant that Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire were rife with big cats.
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