Merged Alien Big Cats in the UK?

makaya325 said:
How do we know that this picture is not an example of forced perspective?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_perspective
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Because you don't understand what forced perspective is? Perhaps if the comment was regarding I Ratant's post #248, you might be on to something, but an overhead shot with both items on the same plane as each other an same distance from the camera is NOT an example of conditions for forced perspective.
 
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Amapola said:
This has been an interesting discussion. I'm quite curious though - what do the people who believe that there are black panthers, cougars etc. roaming the English countryside actually want?
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The same thing any true believer wants--validation, recognition, etc.
 
makaya325 said:
I do know that it makes objects appear bigger than they really are
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You could have gotten really creative and said that it isn't even a real photograph. Why? Because you can see that his Nikon Coolpix is sitting on the ground instead of in his hands. The entire scene must be CGI.
 
The black colour thing is interesting. Most of the "I thot I thaw a puddy tat" reports relate to black cats. The cat in Helensburgh was black. The cat I saw in the field in Yorkshire, the one I momentarily thought was puma-sized, was black. I have a feeling the lack of detail and depth on the black coat colour makes it a lot easier to be mistake the size, than if you had a tabby pattern or something like that.

Now, let me get this straight. I can see that Felicity was agouti (or whatever you call that colour in pumas), and most of the real big cat pictures shown have been that colour. The black "big cat" seems to be a cultural thing, and of course we've all seen pictures of black big cats, but I honestly don't know what species these specimens were.

We get lots of reports of "black panthers". Hmmm... do you guys mean black leopard or black jaguar? Not really. Many come right out and say they mean a black P. concolor. Wait a second. We really don't have any confirmation that Puma ever shows this melanism. It certainly occurs with the leopard and jaguar, and other felids. But not the cougar. What is going on here? An undocumented color phase of Puma is being seen all over rural America with regional "hotspots".
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So, black pumas or panthers are not actually known to exist? Wasn't there a terrorist group somewhere called the "Black Panthers"? Is the whole thing just cultural? Can we tell the next Danny that starts on about black panthers or black pumas that they don't make them in that colour? Which species of that size actually do come in black?

Half the problem over here is that there are very few big cat experts around (and some of them are mad, look up John Aspinall). Most people have no idea what the different species look like, or what colours they come in, never mind what behaviour they might demonstrate. So nobody challenges Danny when he says things that sound authoritative. Personally, I couldn't tell a leopard from a jaguar from a cougar without looking it up. So of course they just lump all the reports of "big cats" together, and start wittering on about breeding populations. None of the so-called experts seems terribly sure what species is supposed to be breeding though.

Rolfe.
 
It's all just a modern slant on the old "Beast of ...."/"Hounds of Hell" etc stories. They were always black too, weren't they?
 
Rolfe said:
So, black pumas or panthers are not actually known to exist? Wasn't there a terrorist group somewhere called the "Black Panthers"? Is the whole thing just cultural? Can we tell the next Danny that starts on about black panthers or black pumas that they don't make them in that colour? Which species of that size actually do come in black?
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The term "Panther" refers to different big cats, depending on where you are. In North America, it's the cougar, in South America, it's usually the jaguar, and in the rest of the world, it's a leopard. Leopards and jaguars do come in black; there doesn't appear to be an authenticated example of a black cougar. More in wikipedia.

ETA: Clearly, it's possible that people in the USA may have heard the term "black panther", applied to leopards or jaguars, but assumed it referred to cougars, since that's what they know as a panther.
 
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Rolfe said:
So, black pumas or panthers are not actually known to exist?
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Melanism has never been truly documented with Puma. We have ancient field reports (Buffon?) of black pumas in Amazonia. We have no bodies or skins. There is one old b/w photo of a very dark puma that some suggest is melanistic. This is inconclusive. Melanism in pumas is hypothetical.

Wasn't there a terrorist group somewhere called the "Black Panthers"? Is the whole thing just cultural? Can we tell the next Danny that starts on about black panthers or black pumas that they don't make them in that colour? Which species of that size actually do come in black?
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In the real world, a black panther is either a melanistic leopard or a melanistic jaguar. I said real world, because I am excluding the hypothetical melanistic puma. Anyone else would exclude that as well - except for those yokels in the hills.

The "black panther" is a cultural icon without any real woo. The symbol of that terrorist group is a black panther and specifically it is artistically rendered in a way that suggests leopard morphology rather than jaguar.
 
zooterkin said:
The term "Panther" refers to different big cats, depending on where you are. In North America, it's the cougar, in South America, it's usually the jaguar, and in the rest of the world, it's a leopard.
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In Central America, the jaguar is El tigre. Yes, tiger.
In Central America, the puma is El leon. Yes, lion.

This may also be true in other Latin regions of America.
 
Rolfe said:
I was going to ask what a MILF is. Then I thought I'd google it.

:eye-poppi :jaw-dropp :boggled:

Just as well I didn't try that one at work.

Is that the meaning intended? Or is this some sort of acronym for "mountain lion female"?

Rolfe.
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The joke is more rich and complex than you know. You are not done when you learn what a MILF is...

Cougar

2. (Canadian and US slang) A woman of middle age who actively seeks the casual companionship of younger (typically under 30 years old) males.
"A cougar approached Warren at the Palomino Club and asked for a dance."
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Coffee is one of those "frustrating things" to clean off of computer screens and keyboards. :) Worth the laugh though.
 
"A cougar approached Warren at the Palomino Club and asked for a dance."

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Cougars and baboons are bipeds.
 
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