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AK-47 Undermount? (or, let's play name that weapon)

tofu

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Here is an image from CNN's front page. It shows a recently released terrror tape. On the speaker's AK-47, there is something attached to the front grip. I'm thinking it is some kind of undermount grenade launcher, but I've never seen anything like it before. Can anyone identify it?

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thanks for the help. there are some really knowledgable people around here.
 
Dan Beaird said:
Really close Donks. Actually it's a GP-25. The noticeable difference is the location of the quadrant sight. On the GP-25 it's on the left (as you can see in the picture) on the GP-30 it's on the right.
Thanks, now I only have to find out what a quadrant sight is. :D
 
Thanks to Counter-Strike I can at least tell it's an AK-47 if nothing else. Has anyone here been a keen CS player and also fired most of the guns in it for real? Is it even close to reality?
 
Underemployed said:
Has anyone here been a keen CS player and also fired most of the guns in it for real? Is it even close to reality?

That's an odd question. Firing a real rifle is nothing at all like clicking a mouse button. Furthermore, actually getting shot at in real life is, I’m sure, a very different experience than getting hit by an awp camper with a wallhack.

I was in the Army, but thankfully I never saw any actual combat. In training exercises, what stands out most in my memory is the constant, overbearing fatigue. You never ever get a good nights sleep out in the field. You’re always tired, always hungry, always miserable. It’s always hot, except when it’s freezing. You’re always dirty. Your hands are covered with the oil and grease that you pick up handling and maintaining your equipment. So, you get breakfree (the oil you clean rifles with) in your food and you can taste it when you eat. Everything that you wear starts to irritate you. The protective mask that we carried on our right thigh always used to rub me raw, and I’d have a blister like sore there for weeks afterwards. You’re carrying heavy equipment, and in spite of the fatigue you sometimes have to sprint, and sometimes have to crawl (which is worse than sprinting). Your joints ache, your head spins. It’s not fun. And note that none of that has anything to do with firing rifles. That’s all the stuff that you do just leading up to combat.

It sucks. I only got a taste of it and I know it sucks. Enjoy counterstrike. It’s a game.
 
Underemployed said:
Thanks to Counter-Strike I can at least tell it's an AK-47 if nothing else. Has anyone here been a keen CS player and also fired most of the guns in it for real? Is it even close to reality?

I've fired an AK but what's CS? If its a computer game then its nothing like firing a real rifle. Even a fairground air-rifle is a million times closer to it than a computer.

I like your graphic thing BTW - 'Where the wild things are' was the first book I got from the library (when I was about 5) and it defines my archetypal monster to this day.
 
I was in the Army, but thankfully I never saw any actual combat. In training exercises, what stands out most in my memory is the constant, overbearing fatigue. You never ever get a good nights sleep out in the field. You’re always tired, always hungry, always miserable. It’s always hot, except when it’s freezing. You’re always dirty. Your hands are covered with the oil and grease that you pick up handling and maintaining your equipment. So, you get breakfree (the oil you clean rifles with) in your food and you can taste it when you eat. Everything that you wear starts to irritate you. The protective mask that we carried on our right thigh always used to rub me raw, and I’d have a blister like sore there for weeks afterwards. You’re carrying heavy equipment, and in spite of the fatigue you sometimes have to sprint, and sometimes have to crawl (which is worse than sprinting). Your joints ache, your head spins. It’s not fun. And note that none of that has anything to do with firing rifles. That’s all the stuff that you do just leading up to combat.

:) :) :)

Happy days though hey?
 
another odd-looking weapon

XM8_01.jpg

XM-8 is the new main US military assault rifle
 
Donks said:
Thanks, now I only have to find out what a quadrant sight is. :D
Grenade launchers fire in a high trajectory, a lot like a mortar. So the normal sights of the rifle can't be used to aim grenades. The quadrant sight is used for aiming the grenade. Here's a link that shows how to use a quadrant sight for a U.S. M203 grenade launcher:

Engage Targets with an M203 Grenade Launcher
 
hodgy said:
:) :) :)

Happy days though hey?

hehe. sure, I suppose so, when you're young.

I guess its good, especially for males, as a way of gaining maturity and discipline. Also, it really makes you appreciate the little things we usually take for granted.
 
hodgy said:
I've fired an AK but what's CS? If its a computer game then its nothing like firing a real rifle. Even a fairground air-rifle is a million times closer to it than a computer.
He may be talking about things like fire rate, sound, reload animation, that sort of thing.
 
tofu said:
It’s always hot, except when it’s freezing. You’re always dirty.

heh. well, I also got a taste of it but cant say I hated it as much as you did. Sure it was knackering but I enjoyed that challenge and the comradeship......

The absolute worst thing was after 18 hours on the go, giving it all 110%for 110% of those 18 hours.. you are cold wet dirty and exhausted..... you peel off your sodden combat jacket, pull on a nice warm dry fleece and crawl into your nice warm dry sleeping bag...... then after what seems like 30sec of dozing some f^&%ing B*&^rd C!$t comes and shakes you awake to let you know its your turn on 'stag' or sentry duty.... I can tell you there is nothing more miseable than shaking yourself awake, getting out of your nice warm dry sleeping bag, pulling on your freesing cold, wet and filthy jacket and then lying prone in a freezing puddle, clutching your freezing rifle sans gloves for an hour, counting each second.........
 
Jon_in_london said:
.... I can tell you there is nothing more miseable than shaking yourself awake, getting out of your nice warm dry sleeping bag, pulling on your freesing cold, wet and filthy jacket and then lying prone in a freezing puddle, clutching your freezing rifle sans gloves for an hour, counting each second.........
Luxury.

We used to dream of havin' a freezing puddle! Why when I was in the service, they used to wake us up for guard duty at 10:00, half an hour before we went to bed, stand guard duty in a block of frozen nitrogen for 28 hours a day then we'd drag ourselves the forty miles to camp with our teeth where our sergeant would cut us in two with a bread knife.
 
Underemployed said:
Thanks to Counter-Strike I can at least tell it's an AK-47 if nothing else. Has anyone here been a keen CS player and also fired most of the guns in it for real? Is it even close to reality?
Mustang Range outside Reno, Nevada has events twice a year where you can go and rent a variety of machineguns (next one is in October). I went last year and fired a full-auto Uzi, a full-auto AK-47, and an M79 grenade launcher.

The Uzi bounces around a lot, but is controllable. I think with training I could get fairly accurate with it.

The AK-47 has a heck of a pull up and left, and was hard to keep on target even for a short burst.

The M79 kicks like a shotgun. Lots of fun to be had there. :)

Next time I go I'm renting one of the belt-fed MGs. Rabbit-tat-tat!

--Patch
 
Picky gunbug stuff

That delightful man o' God is posing with an AK-74, rather than an AK-47. Around 1974, the Sovs adopted the 5.45 x 39 cartridge, so that the model designation for the weapon happened to come out with a 74. Exasperating of them.

Good call on the model of that 30 mm grenade launcher.
 
I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who was wondering this. And to find people discussing it on JREF of all places, where we've got more of our fair share of gun-control nuts floating around here.

Contrast the cave this guy was in with my living room:

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