Ah, the difference in cultures...

[slingblade]

Look, the whole world sucks, each individual place in its own special ways.

Just...suckage. That's really all there is.

Global suckage. Universal suckage. Space aliens will arrive, someday, and they'll bring galactic suckage. In shiny sucky spaceships.

There's even suckage under the oceans. We just haven't had a chance to discover how much suckage. But it's there.

So why do I hate America? Because I suck.

 

[Zep]

Yawn, Claus. Big whoop.

It's only a vocal minority in the USA who get hot and bothered publicly about this sort of thing. I imagine the rest, like in Brasil, either laugh or perhaps snicker, Beavis and Butthead style.

The screaming intolerant minority don't represent the quieter tolerant majority. It's the same just about everywhere - I'll just bet there is a small loud bunch of uptight Brasillians who rant in Rio at every Carnivale as well.

 

[ConspiRaider]

Look, the whole world sucks, each individual place in its own special ways.

Just...suckage. That's really all there is.

Global suckage. Universal suckage. Space aliens will arrive, someday, and they'll bring galactic suckage. In shiny sucky spaceships.

There's even suckage under the oceans. We just haven't had a chance to discover how much suckage. But it's there.

So why do I hate America? Because I suck.

Suffering succotash!

Succintly said.

Such a deluxe honeysuckle of a sexual debunkstering.

 

[Snide]

Interesting, nice post.

But darned acronymns!!!!1111!one!!!

I probably used to know but what does NSFW mean??????

Only thing I could come up with was Nipples Should Flash Wildly.

"Not Safe For Work"

So, not too unlike what you came up with.

 

[ConspiRaider]

"Not Safe For Work"

So, not too unlike what you came up with.

Thanks Snide. No wonder I didn't know that one - I run my own home biz so the boss always says it's okay!

 

[fuelair]

I am not moving any goalposts. The carnival in Rio is shown on national TV, on the non-paid-for channels. It's comparatively as big - probably bigger - than the Superbowl. We are comparing TV coverage of the two events.

Look, it's a perfectly simple question: Are female nipples allowed on CBS, NBC or ABC?

I'll venture an informed guess: They're not. If I'm wrong, tell me.

Quite a difference in attitude wrt nudity, hm?

Come now. No need to be prudish.

You are quite correct - I have kept track of this crap since the early 60's because of my lack of support of censorship (you may not like my specific reasoning: I think I personally should be able to see/read anything I want too. I am fine with others having that right, but I insist on it for me). For research/evidence, before video I made screen photos/slides and later S8mm movie segs and audiotapes/cassettes. Very funny stuff going on for almost 50 years for sure. In the US, Cable MAY eventually get the censorship out - and standards have bounced several times (jiggle shows from 70's would likely not make it now on the networks - because they were nipple-jiggle shows, nudity on PBS modest up to full frontal present late 70's-mid 90s). We'll see.

 

[gtc]

You mean, aside from about half of my female friends and aquaintances, and roughly 10-20% of the women in my neighborhood?

Like anyone is going to believe that without evidence.

 

[boooeee]

Hey, I just skimmed over the thread... but here is what I know.

a) Angela's "wardrobe malfunction" was not televised, that I know of (but I'md the wrong person to ask). The reason is clear - full nudity is prohibited by the rules of the parade, so when her cover fell out, she RAN for cover!!!

Why are the Brazilians so prudish? Really, what harm would be caused by seeing below the waist nudity? Do the Brazilians think their children going to be scarred for life by the mere sight of a fully naked woman?

I suppose Gurdur is going to accuse me of panty-twisting now.

 

[Darat]

Moved several posts to AAH - Stick to appropriate topics and not your personal issues with other Members.

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[Skeptic]

Long enough to have witnessed not one nipple on either CBS, NBC or ABC. But a lot of fuzzed out ones.

And how long is "long enough", if you don't mind me asking?

A month?

A week?

Anyway, this whole thread is bizzare. You seem to assume, for some strange reason, that the fact that nudity and profanity is unavailable on network television during prime time or day hours somehow proves America isn't "progressive" enough.

I would say the opposite is true: the fact that such nudity is (I presume) available on Danish TV during prime time means the Danes, or at least those Danes responsible for TV programming, have no sense of decency.

 

[Gurdur]

....I would say the opposite is true: the fact that such nudity is (I presume) available on Danish TV during prime time means the Danes, or at least those Danes responsible for TV programming, have no sense of decency.

Naaaaw, the Danes simply have the better nipples. And no silicone to spoil them.

 

[CFLarsen]

Who said I think that? I never did make that claim, which makes this a classic strawman, Claus.

Then you are complaining only to complain.

But why, pray tell, did you pick THAT particular example to show Brazilian acceptance? Was it because this woman, like Janet Jackson, also showed her nipples publicly? That would be strange indeed. After all, there are lots of women who show their nipples publicly at Carnival, so why her? Oh, but there's another detail in your story, isn't there? She didn't just show her nipples, and you didn't just quote from the story regarding her showing her nipples. You also quoted how she accidentally displayed more of her body than is permitted. That's a rather unusual event, it's what makes her story noteworthy to begin with, and it has a rather obvious parallel to what happened in the Janet Jackson case. So either you MEANT to compare that aspect, or you're just an incredibly lucky idiot who meant nothing of the sort but stumbled upon this parallel and didn't even realize it. Are you TRYING to convince me that the correct explanation is that you're an idiot? Because, well... you might actually succeed.

Ah, well. I tried.

Yes, I'm sure thousands of people saw this womans bottom fall off from her float.

Yes, indeed. As Luciana will confirm, the parade is a huge event, with tens of thousands in the parade itself and many more on the stands. Is there anyone in Brazil who does not watch or participate?

For those curious, full frontal nudity has been shown on American public TV at least once. In 1997, NBC broadcasted Schindler's List unedited.

I know Roots had nudity in it, and I believe it was broadcasted on TV when it came out. There was an older actress who bared her breast on TV during a TV movie about breast cancer in the 90's, but I do not recall who or which movie it was (if anyone remembers, feel free to jump in).

Oh, my. At least once! I stand corrected.

I did, you are trying to compare a non televised event to a televised event.

Don't tell me what I am trying to do, please.

Sorry I didn't format the name of the movie in my previous post properly, but if you read carefully it's there.

No, and your point? They are cable channels that pretty much anyone with cable tv or satellite will receive.

"No".

I see you have overlooked Mardis Gras. Lots of Public Displays there.

In the parades? Evidence?

Nipplegate? I like it. However it’s long forgotten. Who cares anymore? It was just a publicity stunt, I guess it worked; you’re still talking about it. We all know American TV is very prudish. After all we have to protect the children. It’s a load of crap. Russian TV is freer than American TV. Oh well, what are you gonna’ do.

That's the problem: Nipplegate may be forgotten, but the repercussions are still in effect.

Claus, I do not think anybody seriously doubts that the US is a rather prude country compared to, for example, some countries in Europe or an event like the Carnaval in Rio.

And I also think that few people would object that a lot of hypocrisy is going on over there, regarding nudes, porn, fundamentalists, religion, violence yes — boobs no on TV, et cetera, et cetera.

However, comparing an almost unknown samba dancer (one of many) in Brazil dropping her tanga during the Carnaval, a two day event of which sex is an important factor, to Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson's nipple on a nationwide family TV program, this comparison might well appear objectionable to some. And it is certainly no surprise that the latter caused more media hype.

First, she is not an almost unknown samba dancer in Brazil. She may be in the US, but then, not many have heard of Ann Coulter in Brazil. Twice as lucky, I guess.

Second, the emphasis on sex is definitely also an important factor in the US. The difference is that there is much less hypocrisy in Brazil about skin.

Yes. They have been allowed on multiple broadcast television channels, including ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS; as well as numerous syndicated station. Not that often, and usually preceeded with disclaimers, but it has been done.

And since I know you'll demand names of actual programs, being that you're incapable of looking them up yourself, here are a few examples:

Roots - ABC
Gauguin, The Savage - CBS
Bay City Blues - NBC
Tales of the City - PBS
NYPD Blue - ABC

Evidence?

NBC also aired, unedited, Steven Spielbert's Schindler's List[/il], which features a substantial amount of female nudity, in sexual as well as non-sexual contexts (which triggered a huge protest from religious right groups).

That's my point: Such sinfulness still causes a "huge protest" in the US.

Hey, I just skimmed over the thread... but here is what I know.

Back from the carnaval so soon?

a) Angela's "wardrobe malfunction" was not televised, that I know of (but I'md the wrong person to ask). The reason is clear - full nudity is prohibited by the rules of the parade, so when her cover fell out, she RAN for cover!!! Had she not done that, the samba school could have lost precious points and risk losing the competition altogether. That would mean she'd be shunned forever from samba schools. After that happened, she put on an "emergency" bikini that had been set aside for this contingency. It's hardly the first time one of those fall, because of the sweat and the dance.

Probably not. But even though it happens a lot, we don't see this outrage and frantic political brouhaha afterwards. And definitely not after a half-covered nipple.

b) full frontal nudity is ok on TV since the mid-90s, at the very least. Nipples, since the mid-1980s. NSFW, but google-image the word "Globeleza" and see what I'm talking about. Somewhere in the mid-90s that lady had the glittery bikini flying off entirely, while she danced wildly. It was fast, but nothing was left to imagination, really. Oh, that was like 20 times per day, for 30 seconds, on Globo station.

Or youtube "globeleza 2007" and see what's on TV every other commercial break, at Globo. Very very NSFW. edited to add: it's been on TV since mid-Jan, and will be finished only when Carnaval is over.

"Isaura" also had a lot of skin in it. Ahhhhh......

c) The Carnaval parade used to have much more nudity than it does nowadays. Even naked breasts are rarer, when in the past virtually ALL women would pull out their tops during the parade.

d) Kids participate in the parade, yeah, seeing half-naked people. What's the problem, again? I went to the Sambadrome for the first time when I was 9. I loved it.

And yet, despite this horrid, sinful exposure, you grew up just fine.

e) Angela Bismarchi was beautiful before getting married to a plastic surgeon and overdoing it. Now she does look like a flotation-device drag queen on steroids. But she's some sort of celeb, and they always buy their way into the spotlights.

Partly-naked women are just a small part of the show. It's the one that draws the attention of foreigners but, for us, it's just a way of celebrating beauty. If you must know, what gripped the attention of the nation this year is that one samba school put its 300 percussionists on a float! Can you imagine? The public went delirious! Then when the percussionists climbed down, fake percussionists occupied the float, all 300 of them, while the real one completed the parade, on foot. And another float that came upside down? And the fireworks coming out of a lady's skirt? And a tall Egyptian pyramid being made and unmade in a few minutes? Doesn't that sound wonderful?? Well, those are hard to explain. But, my, the percussionists just rocked the Sambadrome! That's the talk of the town.

Precisely: In Brazil, nobody cares about skin. In the US....hoooooboy!

Yawn, Claus. Big whoop.

It's only a vocal minority in the USA who get hot and bothered publicly about this sort of thing. I imagine the rest, like in Brasil, either laugh or perhaps snicker, Beavis and Butthead style.

The screaming intolerant minority don't represent the quieter tolerant majority. It's the same just about everywhere - I'll just bet there is a small loud bunch of uptight Brasillians who rant in Rio at every Carnivale as well.

Probably. But they don't have the political power to impose their own intolerance on everyone else.

You are quite correct - I have kept track of this crap since the early 60's because of my lack of support of censorship (you may not like my specific reasoning: I think I personally should be able to see/read anything I want too. I am fine with others having that right, but I insist on it for me). For research/evidence, before video I made screen photos/slides and later S8mm movie segs and audiotapes/cassettes. Very funny stuff going on for almost 50 years for sure. In the US, Cable MAY eventually get the censorship out - and standards have bounced several times (jiggle shows from 70's would likely not make it now on the networks - because they were nipple-jiggle shows, nudity on PBS modest up to full frontal present late 70's-mid 90s). We'll see.

The way it is going now does not look good.

 

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Oh, my. At least once! I stand corrected.

Yeah. I am curious if they would be allowed to show it today, though. There were objections when SL was originally shown, but they were, more or less, ignored. Unfortunately, I think today they would be catered to.

 

[Ove]

And how long is "long enough", if you don't mind me asking?

A month?

A week?

Anyway, this whole thread is bizzare. You seem to assume, for some strange reason, that the fact that nudity and profanity is unavailable on network television during prime time or day hours somehow proves America isn't "progressive" enough.

I would say the opposite is true: the fact that such nudity is (I presume) available on Danish TV during prime time means the Danes, or at least those Danes responsible for TV programming, have no sense of decency.

Ohh we have a huge sence of decency but the naked body just isn't a big deal over her. That attitude is from the days of Queen Victoria. But it amuses me that peope gets upset by one bare (or rather semi-bare) nipple while in the same show they have a bunch of 14-18 year old girls dance around and make sexually suggestive moves (i'm talking about cheerleaders if you are in doubt). But ok, they are dressed, -sortoff.

And i think that it IS a minority that gets upset. Unfortunately it is a very loud speaking and extremely influental minority.

 

[3point14]

I think it's the apparent double standard that's most confusing.

Sex is very prevalent in US broadcasting. There's very little that can't be advertised by using a semi-naked young lady with ample assets. As mentioned above, there are cheerleaders at all football games, and I have a confession to make.... they seem pretty sexually orientated to me. I don't know, am I making the wrong inference? Is every other red-blooded male sitting watching them bounce saying 'nice dance moves' with no thought to any other aspect of their show. Do I need help?

Watching WWF (it's not called that anymore though, is it? Can't remember) all the amazon beauties (and not so beauties) are dressed incredibly provocatively, lots of skin, lots of heaving breasts under tight clothes. All modestly covered, of course, but it's there, and I for one notice it (am I alone?)

So the sex itself is allowed, and positively encouraged, provided that no-one actually acknowledges it as something sexual. As soon as it crosses a line (that line clearly being laid down at 'naked nipple' level) then it's a total no-go area and everyone under the age of 18 who sees it is going to grow up to be a sex offender. I don't get it.

And watching the superbowl recently (Major insomnia) I was reminded of Justin and Janet's accident when I watched the half time show featuring prince playing an electric guitar while his Silhouette was projected onto an 20ft screen. Was it just me, or did the image look like a very big man with a very big phallus? Was this intentional? I think it might well have been, given the reputation of the man concerned. Maybe I'm wrong, and it's my mind having been perverted by watching too much of the Kenny Everett Show when I was a kid, but I really do think that those who complained very loudly about an exposed nipple just weren't sexually sophisticated enough to notice that prince managed to broadcast an image of himself playing with an eight foot phallus.

 

[fuelair]

And how long is "long enough", if you don't mind me asking?

A month?

A week?

Anyway, this whole thread is bizzare. You seem to assume, for some strange reason, that the fact that nudity and profanity is unavailable on network television during prime time or day hours somehow proves America isn't "progressive" enough.

I would say the opposite is true: the fact that such nudity is (I presume) available on Danish TV during prime time means the Danes, or at least those Danes responsible for TV programming, have no sense of decency.

Uh, with no offense, are you religious? I ask because the reason nudity is considered indecent in the US is silliness in the bibble - a pseudohistorical book of the xtian faith - first chapter IIRC. Nudity is not universally considered indecent. And certainly not so by me.

 

[fuelair]

I think it's the apparent double standard that's most confusing.

Sex is very prevalent in US broadcasting. There's very little that can't be advertised by using a semi-naked young lady with ample assets. As mentioned above, there are cheerleaders at all football games, and I have a confession to make.... they seem pretty sexually orientated to me. I don't know, am I making the wrong inference? Is every other red-blooded male sitting watching them bounce saying 'nice dance moves' with no thought to any other aspect of their show. Do I need help?

Watching WWF (it's not called that anymore though, is it? Can't remember) all the amazon beauties (and not so beauties) are dressed incredibly provocatively, lots of skin, lots of heaving breasts under tight clothes. All modestly covered, of course, but it's there, and I for one notice it (am I alone?)

So the sex itself is allowed, and positively encouraged, provided that no-one actually acknowledges it as something sexual. As soon as it crosses a line (that line clearly being laid down at 'naked nipple' level) then it's a total no-go area and everyone under the age of 18 who sees it is going to grow up to be a sex offender. I don't get it.

And watching the superbowl recently (Major insomnia) I was reminded of Justin and Janet's accident when I watched the half time show featuring prince playing an electric guitar while his Silhouette was projected onto an 20ft screen. Was it just me, or did the image look like a very big man with a very big phallus? Was this intentional? I think it might well have been, given the reputation of the man concerned. Maybe I'm wrong, and it's my mind having been perverted by watching too much of the Kenny Everett Show when I was a kid, but I really do think that those who complained very loudly about an exposed nipple just weren't sexually sophisticated enough to notice that prince managed to broadcast an image of himself playing with an eight foot phallus.

By george, I think he's got it!!!

 

[Zep]

Probably. But they [the uptight minority of Brasil] don't have the political power to impose their own intolerance on everyone else.

Really? The Catholic church has no influence there at all? You don't say!

 

[CFLarsen]

Really? The Catholic church has no influence there at all? You don't say!

I didn't say that. But they sure aren't effective in banning boobs!

 

[Matthew Best]

And watching the superbowl recently (Major insomnia) I was reminded of Justin and Janet's accident when I watched the half time show featuring prince playing an electric guitar while his Silhouette was projected onto an 20ft screen. Was it just me, or did the image look like a very big man with a very big phallus?

It wasn't just you, but I think it says more about you (and everyone else who claims to have noticed/laughed/been offended by it) than it does about Prince who was just playing a guitar. It certainly didn't look like any phallus I've ever seen (not that I'm suggesting I'm some kind of expert ).