Ah, the difference in cultures...

[CFLarsen]

But you weren't comparing just the broadcast of nipples in Brazil to the broadcasting of nipples in the US, you were comparing the respective responses to wardrobe malfunctions where more was exposed than is permitted. Where's your evidence that this wardrobe malfunction was televised?

Edit: we want a YouTube link (or its equivalent), and will accept nothing less as evidence.

Perhaps if you read what I said in the OP, it would make it much easier for you to understand.

 

[Ziggurat]

Perhaps if you read what I said in the OP, it would make it much easier for you to understand.

I did, Claus. I understood it perfectly well, Claus. Did you understand my post? No evidence to that effect has been demonstrated. Hell, Claus, you're in a league all your own when it comes to being oblivious to the arguments of your opponents. You're infamous in your ability to drag out your refusal to understand someone else's position into pages and pages of useless html.

 

[CFLarsen]

I did, Claus. I understood it perfectly well, Claus. Did you understand my post? No evidence to that effect has been demonstrated. Hell, Claus, you're in a league all your own when it comes to being oblivious to the arguments of your opponents. You're infamous in your ability to drag out your refusal to understand someone else's position into pages and pages of useless html.

Which doesn't address my opening post at all.

But, OK: If you think that the US is on par with Brazil when it comes to acceptance of public display of nudity, then you think that.

No need to drag that out.

 

[HarryKeogh]

Perhaps if you read what I said in the OP, it would make it much easier for you to understand.

But even in this case, the different reaction is striking: An accidental half-exposed nipple causing a major uproar. A tapasexo accidentally dropped, causing a smile.

Wait a sec...there's no evidence this Brazilian incident was even televised? And we're trying to compare the difference in reaction to something that was aired to tens of millions of people and something that perhaps only a handful of parade-goers witnessed? Do you think if a dozen security guards saw Janet Jackson's boob the nation would have given a crap? What are you comparing for chrissake?

What a waste of a page and a half of posts. Just pointless.

 

[Skibum]

The Carnaval is televised by Globo, and probably all the other major networks. There are lots of nipples there.

Again, Please provide evidence the incident in the OP was televised.

Can you name the actual programs where nipples are shown? (You skipped that. I'm sure it's a slip.)

I answered already, numerous movies. Last week I watched starship troopers unedited on either the USA network or TNT network (don't recall which).

Both are regular basic cable channels, the movie has a couple nice nip shots.

 

[CFLarsen]

Wait a sec...there's no evidence this Brazilian incident was even televised? And we're trying to compare the difference in reaction to something that was aired to tens of millions of people and something that perhaps only a handful of parade-goers witnessed? Do you think if a dozen security guards saw Janet Jackson's boob the nation would have given a crap? What are you comparing for chrissake?

A handful? You seriously need to educate yourself on the magnitude of the Rio Carnival.

What a waste of a page and a half of posts. Just pointless.

Do you agree that a Google search does not constitute evidence?

Or do you think that referring to Google should be accepted as a response here? When we challenge woos for evidence of their claims, they can merely refer to Google, and you will be satisfied?

When you are done with your personal grievances, perhaps you could dredge up some evidence that nipples are allowed on CBS, NBC and ABC?

 

[CFLarsen]

Again, Please provide evidence the incident in the OP was televised.

Read my OP. Really.

I answered already, numerous movies. Last week I watched starship troopers unedited on either the USA network or TNT network (don't recall which).

No names, then.

Both are regular basic cable channels, the movie has a couple nice nip shots.

CBS? NBC? ABC?

 

[Ziggurat]

But, OK: If you think that the US is on par with Brazil when it comes to acceptance of public display of nudity, then you think that.

Who said I think that? I never did make that claim, which makes this a classic strawman, Claus.

But why, pray tell, did you pick THAT particular example to show Brazilian acceptance? Was it because this woman, like Janet Jackson, also showed her nipples publicly? That would be strange indeed. After all, there are lots of women who show their nipples publicly at Carnival, so why her? Oh, but there's another detail in your story, isn't there? She didn't just show her nipples, and you didn't just quote from the story regarding her showing her nipples. You also quoted how she accidentally displayed more of her body than is permitted. That's a rather unusual event, it's what makes her story noteworthy to begin with, and it has a rather obvious parallel to what happened in the Janet Jackson case. So either you MEANT to compare that aspect, or you're just an incredibly lucky idiot who meant nothing of the sort but stumbled upon this parallel and didn't even realize it. Are you TRYING to convince me that the correct explanation is that you're an idiot? Because, well... you might actually succeed.

 

[HarryKeogh]

A handful? You seriously need to educate yourself on the magnitude of the Rio Carnival.

Yes, I'm sure thousands of people saw this womans bottom fall off from her float.

 

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

For those curious, full frontal nudity has been shown on American public TV at least once. In 1997, NBC broadcasted Schindler's List unedited.

I know Roots had nudity in it, and I believe it was broadcasted on TV when it came out. There was an older actress who bared her breast on TV during a TV movie about breast cancer in the 90's, but I do not recall who or which movie it was (if anyone remembers, feel free to jump in).

 

[WildCat]

Are we talking about this Angela Bismarchi ? (this is one of the very few forum-acceptable photos I could find).

I hope her wee-wee didn't show!

It's a man, baby!

 

[Skibum]

Read my OP. Really.

I did, you are trying to compare a non televised event to a televised event.

No names, then.

Sorry I didn't format the name of the movie in my previous post properly, but if you read carefully it's there.

CBS? NBC? ABC?

No, and your point? They are cable channels that pretty much anyone with cable tv or satellite will receive.

 

[Skibum]

But, OK: If you think that the US is on par with Brazil when it comes to acceptance of public display of nudity, then you think that.

I see you have overlooked Mardis Gras. Lots of Public Displays there.

 

[The Painter]

Nipplegate? I like it. However it’s long forgotten. Who cares anymore? It was just a publicity stunt, I guess it worked; you’re still talking about it. We all know American TV is very prudish. After all we have to protect the children. It’s a load of crap. Russian TV is freer than American TV. Oh well, what are you gonna’ do.

 

[wahrheit]

Claus, I do not think anybody seriously doubts that the US is a rather prude country compared to, for example, some countries in Europe or an event like the Carnaval in Rio.

And I also think that few people would object that a lot of hypocrisy is going on over there, regarding nudes, porn, fundamentalists, religion, violence yes — boobs no on TV, et cetera, et cetera.

However, comparing an almost unknown samba dancer (one of many) in Brazil dropping her tanga during the Carnaval, a two day event of which sex is an important factor, to Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson's nipple on a nationwide family TV program, this comparison might well appear objectionable to some. And it is certainly no surprise that the latter caused more media hype.

Don't get me wrong, I also shook my head in disbelieve regarding that silly Jackson numskull and her nipple causing such a brouhaha. And you are also right to assume that this would have been dealt with much more relaxed in other countries. But I think the comparison itself is improper.

 

[luchog]

Look, it's a perfectly simple question: Are female nipples allowed on CBS, NBC or ABC?

Yes. They have been allowed on multiple broadcast television channels, including ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS; as well as numerous syndicated station. Not that often, and usually preceeded with disclaimers, but it has been done.

And since I know you'll demand names of actual programs, being that you're incapable of looking them up yourself, here are a few examples:

Roots - ABC
Gauguin, The Savage - CBS
Bay City Blues - NBC
Tales of the City - PBS
NYPD Blue - ABC

NBC also aired, unedited, Steven Spielbert's Schindler's List[/il], which features a substantial amount of female nudity, in sexual as well as non-sexual contexts (which triggered a huge protest from religious right groups).

 

[luchog]

Why on Earth would you use this nipple-thingie, if her nipple was going to be covered by a bra anyway? Who wears these thingies under the bra?

You mean, aside from about half of my female friends and aquaintances, and roughly 10-20% of the women in my neighborhood?

 

[WildCat]

Yes. They have been allowed on multiple broadcast television channels, including ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS; as well as numerous syndicated station. Not that often, and usually preceeded with disclaimers, but it has been done.

And since I know you'll demand names of actual programs, being that you're incapable of looking them up yourself, here are a few examples:

Roots - ABC
Gauguin, The Savage - CBS
Bay City Blues - NBC
Tales of the City - PBS
NYPD Blue - ABC

NBC also aired, unedited, Steven Spielbert's Schindler's List[/il], which features a substantial amount of female nudity, in sexual as well as non-sexual contexts (which triggered a huge protest from religious right groups).

I could swear that Shogun had a nude scene, but it's a 25 year old memory at least...

 

[Luciana]

Hey, I just skimmed over the thread... but here is what I know.

a) Angela's "wardrobe malfunction" was not televised, that I know of (but I'md the wrong person to ask). The reason is clear - full nudity is prohibited by the rules of the parade, so when her cover fell out, she RAN for cover!!! Had she not done that, the samba school could have lost precious points and risk losing the competition altogether. That would mean she'd be shunned forever from samba schools. After that happened, she put on an "emergency" bikini that had been set aside for this contingency. It's hardly the first time one of those fall, because of the sweat and the dance.

b) full frontal nudity is ok on TV since the mid-90s, at the very least. Nipples, since the mid-1980s. NSFW, but google-image the word "Globeleza" and see what I'm talking about. Somewhere in the mid-90s that lady had the glittery bikini flying off entirely, while she danced wildly. It was fast, but nothing was left to imagination, really. Oh, that was like 20 times per day, for 30 seconds, on Globo station.

Or youtube "globeleza 2007" and see what's on TV every other commercial break, at Globo. Very very NSFW. edited to add: it's been on TV since mid-Jan, and will be finished only when Carnaval is over.

c) The Carnaval parade used to have much more nudity than it does nowadays. Even naked breasts are rarer, when in the past virtually ALL women would pull out their tops during the parade.

d) Kids participate in the parade, yeah, seeing half-naked people. What's the problem, again? I went to the Sambadrome for the first time when I was 9. I loved it.

e) Angela Bismarchi was beautiful before getting married to a plastic surgeon and overdoing it. Now she does look like a flotation-device drag queen on steroids. But she's some sort of celeb, and they always buy their way into the spotlights.

Partly-naked women are just a small part of the show. It's the one that draws the attention of foreigners but, for us, it's just a way of celebrating beauty. If you must know, what gripped the attention of the nation this year is that one samba school put its 300 percussionists on a float! Can you imagine? The public went delirious! Then when the percussionists climbed down, fake percussionists occupied the float, all 300 of them, while the real one completed the parade, on foot. And another float that came upside down? And the fireworks coming out of a lady's skirt? And a tall Egyptian pyramid being made and unmade in a few minutes? Doesn't that sound wonderful?? Well, those are hard to explain. But, my, the percussionists just rocked the Sambadrome! That's the talk of the town.

 

[ConspiRaider]

Hey, I just skimmed over the thread... but here is what I know.

a) Angela's "wardrobe malfunction" was not televised, that I know of (but I'md the wrong person to ask). The reason is clear - full nudity is prohibited by the rules of the parade, so when her cover fell out, she RAN for cover!!! Had she not done that, the samba school could have lost precious points and risk losing the competition altogether. That would mean she'd be shunned forever from samba schools. After that happened, she put on an "emergency" bikini that had been set aside for this contingency. It's hardly the first time one of those fall, because of the sweat and the dance.

b) full frontal nudity is ok on TV since the mid-90s, at the very least. Nipples, since the mid-1980s. NSFW, but google-image the word "Globeleza" and see what I'm talking about. Somewhere in the mid-90s that lady had the glittery bikini flying off entirely, while she danced wildly. It was fast, but nothing was left to imagination, really. Oh, that was like 20 times per day, for 30 seconds, on Globo station.

Or youtube "globeleza 2007" and see what's on TV every other commercial break, at Globo. Very very NSFW. edited to add: it's been on TV since mid-Jan, and will be finished only when Carnaval is over.

c) The Carnaval parade used to have much more nudity than it does nowadays. Even naked breasts are rarer, when in the past virtually ALL women would pull out their tops during the parade.

d) Kids participate in the parade, yeah, seeing half-naked people. What's the problem, again? I went to the Sambadrome for the first time when I was 9. I loved it.

e) Angela Bismarchi was beautiful before getting married to a plastic surgeon and overdoing it. Now she does look like a flotation-device drag queen on steroids. But she's some sort of celeb, and they always buy their way into the spotlights.

Partly-naked women are just a small part of the show. It's the one that draws the attention of foreigners but, for us, it's just a way of celebrating beauty. If you must know, what gripped the attention of the nation this year is that one samba school put its 300 percussionists on a float! Can you imagine? The public went delirious! Then when the percussionists climbed down, fake percussionists occupied the float, all 300 of them, while the real one completed the parade, on foot. And another float that came upside down? And the fireworks coming out of a lady's skirt? And a tall Egyptian pyramid being made and unmade in a few minutes? Doesn't that sound wonderful?? Well, those are hard to explain. But, my, the percussionists just rocked the Sambadrome! That's the talk of the town.

Interesting, nice post.

But darned acronymns!!!!1111!one!!!

I probably used to know but what does NSFW mean??????

Only thing I could come up with was Nipples Should Flash Wildly.