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"Agnostics are Nowhere Men"

So, can I take it that as you've not actually laid out any flaws in my reasoning, noreligion, and are instead offering up an argument from incredulity against what Darat said, that you can find no flaws in my reasoning? If you can, it'd be nice if you actually articulated them in a rational and logical manner.
 
Let's ask you a specific point so you can stop evading. If the Earth's rotation stopped for a day as the bible says, what happened to the angular momentum? Sorry to tell you but the method of stopping the rotation has no effect on the answer.

As I answered earlier:

.... it "only" requires energy to moved about, removed and added, something that our current understanding of science describes even if we do not have the technology to do it... yet."
 
If the Earth's rotation stopped for a day as the bible says, what happened to the angular momentum?

The Bible does not say that the Earth stopped rotating. In fact, the effects described - both the Sun and the Moon standing still in the sky - are not the effects you'd see if the Earth stopped rotating.

A giant projector screen, on the other hand...
 
I was watching "Atheist Experience" on youtube and Matt said that most atheists say anythings possible including a god or gods. Many atheists such as myself don't automatically exclude any possibility. Based on available evidence god either doesn't exist or doesn't interfere but we live in a big universe and many things are possible. God or not there is no evidence for life after death or that such activities such as prayer are helpful or beneficial in any way shape or fashion.

One has to ask themselves this. Based on evidence why worship something you can't sense with the five senses?
 
The Bible does not say that the Earth stopped rotating. In fact, the effects described - both the Sun and the Moon standing still in the sky - are not the effects you'd see if the Earth stopped rotating.

A giant projector screen, on the other hand...

It says the sun stopped in the sky. The only way that is possible is if the Earth stopped rotating. Take a damn science class.
 
Answer the damn question I asked.

How without knowing what and how the technology does what it does can I explain what the effects would be. I'm really unsure about what is getting you so agitated.

Today we can do many things which would be considered magic to many of our ancestors in other words "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.". I don't think there is anything incredible to suppose that humans in a thousand years from now will be doing many things that we would find "indistinguishable from magic".

It seems that you think technology is not going to keep developing, that our understanding and our ability to manipulate our environment will not progress from today? If that is the case why?
 
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It says the sun stopped in the sky. The only way that is possible is if the Earth stopped rotating. Take a damn science class.

Or the sun was moved or... What they describe may not be exactly how the effect was caused. We see a magician sawing a man in half but I doubt we would assume that how the illusion is carried out has to match that description.
 
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How without knowing what and how the technology does what it does explain what the effects would be. I'm really unsure about what is getting you so agitated.

You are. You can't answer a damn question cause it would prove you and that other "agnostic" wrong. Please read my previous post to you.
 
It says the sun stopped in the sky. The only way that is possible is if the Earth stopped rotating. Take a damn science class.

It says the Sun and the Moon stopped in the sky. If the Earth stopped rotating, then the Sun would continue to move in the sky (albeit in a different manner) as the Earth continued to orbit the Sun, and the Moon would continue to move in the sky (albeit in a different manner) as it continued to orbit the Earth.

And I provided an alternative method that could be possible by aliens - a giant projector screen, so the witnesses only thought the celestial bodies had stopped.

All of which is a massive tangent to where we started up. That's twice now upon invitation where you've neglected to articulate any flaws in my reasoning. Are you really content to tacitly admit that there are none? If so, then you would appear to have no basis upon which to challenge my reasoning. Your current argument from incredulity is not a good argument against anything, certainly not the stance of mine which you initially objected to.
 
It says the Sun and the Moon stopped in the sky. If the Earth stopped rotating, then the Sun would continue to move in the sky (albeit in a different manner) as the Earth continued to orbit the Sun, and the Moon would continue to move in the sky (albeit in a different manner) as it continued to orbit the Earth.

And I provided an alternative method that could be possible by aliens - a giant projector screen, so the witnesses only thought the celestial bodies had stopped.

All of which is a massive tangent to where we started up. That's twice now upon invitation where you've neglected to articulate any flaws in my reasoning. Are you really content to tacitly admit that there are none? If so, then you would appear to have no basis upon which to challenge my reasoning. Your current argument from incredulity is not a good argument against anything, certainly not the stance of mine which you initially objected to.

Your defending a bible passage that you didn't even read? Tell me, if the Earth didn't rotate how would the sun set more often than once every half year? As I said take a damn science class I am through suffering fools.
 
You are. You can't answer a damn question cause it would prove you and that other "agnostic" wrong.

If you're referring to me, then there being no answer to your question wouldn't prove me wrong at all. If you want to show me to be wrong then the way to do it is to address the arguments I have put forth. I've invited you to do so twice now and both times you've simply ignored the invitation. My argument is there, set out in black and pale grey and I'll be happy to discuss it with you rationally if you should choose to do so. In the mean time, this diversion you've entered in to is reasonably fun to throw around so I'm happy to do that, but don't labour under the misapprehension that it has anything whatsoever to do with anything else I've stated in this thread, because it doesn't.

Oh and, on that note, I've answered your question twice.
 
You are. You can't answer a damn question cause it would prove you and that other "agnostic" wrong. Please read my previous post to you.

I have read all your posts and answered your questions but I still don't see what you are agitated about, what you find at all controversial about what I've posted unless as I said, you think human progress ends now.


(By the way I'm not an agnostic.)
 
I have read all your posts and answered your questions but I still don't see what you are agitated about, what you find at all controversial about what I've posted unless as I said, you think human progress ends now.


(By the way I'm not an agnostic.)

Did you read post #84 or are you ignoring it so you can claim I think human progress ends now.
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Woah, this thread took a strange turn. Anyway...

I can't reply to everyone, so I'll just make some general comments.

(Most) Atheists don't believe there is no God(s) - they just don't believe in any God(s).

In a philosophical sense, (most) atheists are also agnostic, because they are open to new possibilities.

But in the real world (away from philosophical caveats and justifications), agnostic atheists are just plain atheists.

Someone who is not a philosophy buff would probably be bored to tears if you started explaining why you're an agnostic atheist when they simply want to know if you believe in (a) God.
 

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