African shaman performing levitation

Professor Yaffle said:
insidespace is soooooo a troll!

A very funny one though.
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Yep, without doubt he's a troll. Someone who genuinely had that poor a grasp of reality wouldn't be able to use a computer, let alone have the ability to read or write.
 
fuelair said:
The dog does not (surely someone has already explained this to you) "make itself heavier", it "sets" (stiffens) it's muscles. Since that makes it inflexible, it is much harder to lift BECAUSE it's body does not bend and change center of gravity as it is picked up. I have been doing that as a "bar trick" for years: 1) relax and ask a reasonable size guy if he thinks he can lift you, 2) let him - it will be easy unless he has arthritis, 3) bet him That he won't be able to lift you again, 4) stiffen/tighten all your muscles (contract them) when he prepares to lift 5) collect on the bet.
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I always thought it was the other way around... it was harder to lift someone who is loose and floppy as opposed to stiff.

"Light as a feather, stiff as a board."
 
insidespace said:
... I am not famillar with cats but I know that how they can autorotate in the *air* without pushing on anything, on the way from falling out the window to the ground, to always land on their feet, is something no scientist has ever been able to duplicate...
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Probably because scientists do not have tails.




(I think.)



thatguywhojuggles said:
I always thought it was the other way around... it was harder to lift someone who is loose and floppy as opposed to stiff.
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I thought so too. It's the difference between picking up a bag of sand and a box of books. Weighing the same, the sandbag seems to require much more effort (in order to get a purchase.)
 
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Hey innerspace... you know that sound a bong makes, when it's running low on water, and you just cleared a big bowl?

Yeah, you know that sound. Very well.
 
magi said:
... you know that sound a bong makes, when it's running low on water...?...
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Water?! You fill a boong

a bonk

a b

a BONG with water? Water, when my bud that's shaving now can score Ripple at this place downtown that doesn't mostly check IDs?

Aw man, you are so not invited to my next parteeee!

InsideMan's cool, though. Dude knows where it's at.
 
TjW said:
But gravity hadn't been suspended for the frog. There was an equal and opposite force being applied via a magnetic field, rather than as it usually is, by pressing against the ground.
Momentum is exactly what would separate you from the earth, should you be able to somehow screen yourself from gravity.
With gravity, you're following the arc made by the surface of the spinning earth -- a curved path.
At the point gravity stops for you, your momentum keeps you going in a straight line, tangential to the point on the earth you were at when the gravity stopped.
You'd still have all the velocity you had when gravity stopped, so initially, you'd stay over pretty much the same spot, but as the earth's surface curves away from you, the spot you were standing on is traveling at more and more of an angle to your straight line. From the point of view of someone standing next to you, you'd drift up and west of the local vertical of your starting position. Six hours later, your original local vertical would be moving at right angles to the straight line that your poor asphyxiated body is following.
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My bad for saying that momentum & gravity can be separated. Of course they can not. And gravity is never eliminated as long as mass is present AFAIK. My problem with using the spinning earth argument against levitation is exactly that. If an alleged holy man claims to levitate does this mean that he has eliminated gravity from his body or only balanced the force of gravity with a counter force? And does it matter to the argument if he understands the science or not? Don't people sometimes do the things they say they can do although they get the explanation for how they do it totally wrong?

There are many legit ways to counter balance the effect of gravity. I doubt as strongly as you do that the alleged holy man is able to do this without deception. But let's just say that he is really levitating using some known principle of science and is innocent of intentional deception. Perhaps he is such a dedicated vegan (all those mystical herbs he eats) that his flatulence can be burned as rocket fuel. (which would explain his sitting in a ring of fire) He might be unaware of why he is floating, he just thinks that the old hemorrhoids are acting up. Would this mean that the earth would spin under his butt?

I ask this as a question of logic and NOT as an argument in favor of mystical levitation.
 
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OK, a coupla things.

First, as I "predicted correctly" there is a *fundamental* disagreement about the dog making himself (herself?) heavier. One contributor said it was because the dog tensed himself (herself) up and was harder to lift. Another equally intelligient I assume contributor said it was the *other* way around, that it was harder to lift something loose and floppy.

So, which is it, guys (and gals)? If so called "scientists" cannot even agree on something so *basic* supposedly as how a dog makes himself (herself) heavier, yet I am supposed to believe scientists have the answers to how the sacred Shaman levitates???? Whose kidding who here? Lets let the dog hut where it will, eh?

Next, I re-looked at the Shaman video, with an "eye" to seeing if there was a see-saw in the background. *AND* I just happened to have a book here which describes the "lever" (invented by someone a Long Time Ago). Well, to be technical, the Shaman levitates more than one step up, so if there was a lever, it would have to have less than one step of movement on the operators end. BUT this would mean it would be too hard to lift, like being near the center of the see-saw. So there would have to be more than one person, and everybody knows you can't keep secrets when more than one person is involved. So, whose kidding who now?

I think we ought to just let some air into the room. Where the dust settles is where it settles. And the Shaman will in time be revealed as such.

Get my meaning?

Note to self: Wasn't there a Mexican guy like 10 years ago who went down to Mexico and spoke to Shamans and they flew for him? It thought he was a teacher out West some where and they accepted that after having the scientists review the work? No?
 
insidespace said:
First, as I "predicted correctly" there is a *fundamental* disagreement about the dog making himself (herself?) heavier. One contributor said it was because the dog tensed himself (herself) up and was harder to lift. Another equally intelligient I assume contributor said it was the *other* way around, that it was harder to lift something loose and floppy.
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ALERT THE MEDIA! We obviously have a JREF $1 Million Dollar Challanger here, as he *predicted correctly* something; let alone he has uncovered a world changing event physics - an object that can change its mass/weight at will.

I sure hope Randi has his checkbook handy; heck, he has probably written the check and just waiting for you to contact him.
 
Next, I re-looked at the Shaman video, with an "eye" to seeing if there was a see-saw in the background. *AND* I just happened to have a book here which describes the "lever" (invented by someone a Long Time Ago). Well, to be technical, the Shaman levitates more than one step up, so if there was a lever, it would have to have less than one step of movement on the operators end. BUT this would mean it would be too hard to lift, like being near the center of the see-saw. So there would have to be more than one person, and everybody knows you can't keep secrets when more than one person is involved. So, whose kidding who now?
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I'm done with this troll. Going on ignore.
 
insidespace said:
So there would have to be more than one person, and everybody knows you can't keep secrets when more than one person is involved. So, whose kidding who now?

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Get my meaning?
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Yup. You're a troll. You had me fooled earlier, but after this last post I'm convinced that this is pure satire. The alternative is simply unthinkable.
 
insidespace said:
OK, a coupla things.


Note to self: Wasn't there a Mexican guy like 10 years ago who went down to Mexico and spoke to Shamans and they flew for him? It thought he was a teacher out West some where and they accepted that after having the scientists review the work? No?
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Target troll... traverse left... drop 20, fire for effect!..... Target!

Next.
 
insidespace said:
OK, a coupla things.

First, as I "predicted correctly" there is a *fundamental* disagreement about the dog making himself (herself?) heavier. One contributor said it was because the dog tensed himself (herself) up and was harder to lift. Another equally intelligient I assume contributor said it was the *other* way around, that it was harder to lift something loose and floppy.

So, which is it, guys (and gals)? If so called "scientists" cannot even agree on something so *basic* supposedly as how a dog makes himself (herself) heavier, yet I am supposed to believe scientists have the answers to how the sacred Shaman levitates????
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Yep.

Whose kidding who here? Lets let the dog hut where it will, eh?
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Nope.

Next, I re-looked at the Shaman video, with an "eye" to seeing if there was a see-saw in the background. *AND* I just happened to have a book here which describes the "lever" (invented by someone a Long Time Ago). Well, to be technical, the Shaman levitates more than one step up, so if there was a lever, it would have to have less than one step of movement on the operators end. BUT this would mean it would be too hard to lift, like being near the center of the see-saw. So there would have to be more than one person, and everybody knows you can't keep secrets when more than one person is involved. So, whose kidding who now?
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Nope.

I think we ought to just let some air into the room. Where the dust settles is where it settles. And the Shaman will in time be revealed as such.
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Nope.

Get my meaning?
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Nope.

Note to self: Wasn't there a Mexican guy like 10 years ago who went down to Mexico and spoke to Shamans and they flew for him? It thought he was a teacher out West some where and they accepted that after having the scientists review the work? No?
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Nope.

Any other questions?
 
Starthinker said:
Is the word god auto edited? Why can't this guy type the word God? At first I thought he was trying to say gonads, as in "The shaman was communicating with his gonads" but realized that wasn't the case.
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It's a Jewish thing. They think it's disrespectful to refer to god by his name. It makes no sense to me, but then again, I don't believe in god(s).
 
ksbluesfan said:
It's a Jewish thing. They think it's disrespectful to refer to god by his name. It makes no sense to me, but then again, I don't believe in god(s).
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But I thought religious types only respected their own god and totally disrespected and made bloody wars on other people's gods. So when referring to the shaman's gods, why can't he spell it out? Strange thing religion.
 
insidespace said:
I remembered that Mexican's name:

http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/castane.htm

How is that different?
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It isn't- the books were fiction, and the video is fake.

But if you really believe that all this levitation stuff is real, then go buy Castaneda's books, study them thoroughly, and come back to us when you can levitate using the secrets contained therein.

If you can do this, you can win a million bucks and laugh in our faces.

Until then, stop bothering us.

You know, at some point you gotta lean back and let the wind blow where it might. And you gotta smell the roses along the way. Don't you think so?
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I'd be interested in meeting someone who can prevent the wind from blowing where it might.
 
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