African shaman performing levitation

Senex said:
No, but the ball is under the affect of gravity. Throw gravity out of your equation and see where your ball ends up. The earth moves even faster than your train.
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Why throw gravity out? Gravity is present whether or not an object is being levitated. But that is not the point. Momentum is independent of gravity. Did you see the frog levitating in post # 145 or the weightless dog in #170? They are both comfortably traveling at the same rate through space as their containers.
 
OK, well, I thought it would be OK to do some "research" on levitatioin as it pertains to African Shamans, and would'nt you know it, there is a lot written about this very subject.

Here is something...

Another ability frequently attributed to saints is levitation. St. Joseph of Cupertino and St. Theresa of Avila were both reputed to do it frequently. One eyewitness swore Theresa remained airborne, eighteen inches off the ground, for about half an hour. The great Tibetan yogi Milarepa went one better: according to contemporary accounts, he was able to walk and even sleep while levitating. In the nineteenth century, the spiritualist medium Daniel Dunglas Home surprised several witnesses by floating out of a third story window and into another. The Italian medium Amedee Zuccarini was photographed levitating with his feet some twenty inches above the nearest support.
http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/blurb.php?pn=K084&type=Excerpt

18 inches is, I would point out pointedly, almost exactly what I would estimate, just by looking and without measuring, what the African Shaman did. There must be some balance or equilibrium at 18 inches or thereabouts.

Now, did all these people, including the medium lady (was it a lady?) who floated around, were these all on see-saws (doubtful) or wires on their thoraxes (which did *NOT* as I saw put any stress or strain on the African Shaman as I expect counterbalancing his weight would have -- just an observation on the back of the napkin, you know).

So, post hoc propter hoc I would say to this. If the shoe fits, wear it. Here we have proof that holy people all over the world have done things *much* more hard to understand, with our primitive understanding, than the Shaman we saw.

If you make bananas, you better figure what to do with the peels, right? Or do you disagree?
 
insidespace said:
OK, well, I thought it would be OK to do some "research" on levitatioin as it pertains to African Shamans, and would'nt you know it, there is a lot written about this very subject.

Here is something...

Another ability frequently attributed to saints is levitation. St. Joseph of Cupertino and St. Theresa of Avila were both reputed to do it frequently. One eyewitness swore Theresa remained airborne, eighteen inches off the ground, for about half an hour. The great Tibetan yogi Milarepa went one better: according to contemporary accounts, he was able to walk and even sleep while levitating. In the nineteenth century, the spiritualist medium Daniel Dunglas Home surprised several witnesses by floating out of a third story window and into another. The Italian medium Amedee Zuccarini was photographed levitating with his feet some twenty inches above the nearest support.
http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/blurb.php?pn=K084&type=Excerpt

18 inches is, I would point out pointedly, almost exactly what I would estimate, just by looking and without measuring, what the African Shaman did. There must be some balance or equilibrium at 18 inches or thereabouts.

Now, did all these people, including the medium lady (was it a lady?) who floated around, were these all on see-saws (doubtful) or wires on their thoraxes (which did *NOT* as I saw put any stress or strain on the African Shaman as I expect counterbalancing his weight would have -- just an observation on the back of the napkin, you know).

So, post hoc propter hoc I would say to this. If the shoe fits, wear it. Here we have proof that holy people all over the world have done things *much* more hard to understand, with our primitive understanding, than the Shaman we saw.

If you make bananas, you better figure what to do with the peels, right? Or do you disagree?
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I have a bridge I'd like to sell you, cheap. Since you'll buy ANYTHING, what's a few thousand dollars between friends?
 
insidespace said:
So can the Shaman make your brain think he is levitating, by sending out brain waves or something, so that everyone who watches says he is levitating, when "really" he isn't, but there are no wires or anything?
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I wasn't there during the filming, so I can't say for sure whether or not the people who were there were affected by the shaman's brain waves.

I do find it unlikely, however, that his brain waves affected the cameras recording the event. Unless, perhaps he somehow embedded his brain waves in the video, so that when you watch it on youtube his brain waves make you think it's a video of someone levitating, when "really" it's not?
 
insidespace said:
OK, well, I thought it would be OK to do some "research" on levitatioin as it pertains to African Shamans, and would'nt you know it, there is a lot written about this very subject.

Here is something...

Another ability frequently attributed to saints is levitation. St. Joseph of Cupertino and St. Theresa of Avila were both reputed to do it frequently. One eyewitness swore Theresa remained airborne, eighteen inches off the ground, for about half an hour. The great Tibetan yogi Milarepa went one better: according to contemporary accounts, he was able to walk and even sleep while levitating. In the nineteenth century, the spiritualist medium Daniel Dunglas Home surprised several witnesses by floating out of a third story window and into another. The Italian medium Amedee Zuccarini was photographed levitating with his feet some twenty inches above the nearest support.
http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/blurb.php?pn=K084&type=Excerpt

18 inches is, I would point out pointedly, almost exactly what I would estimate, just by looking and without measuring, what the African Shaman did. There must be some balance or equilibrium at 18 inches or thereabouts.

Now, did all these people, including the medium lady (was it a lady?) who floated around, were these all on see-saws (doubtful) or wires on their thoraxes (which did *NOT* as I saw put any stress or strain on the African Shaman as I expect counterbalancing his weight would have -- just an observation on the back of the napkin, you know).

So, post hoc propter hoc I would say to this. If the shoe fits, wear it. Here we have proof that holy people all over the world have done things *much* more hard to understand, with our primitive understanding, than the Shaman we saw.

If you make bananas, you better figure what to do with the peels, right? Or do you disagree?
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You're using saints and mediums to argue your point on this web-site???!!!

My guess is that not only are you a Google Troll you are also the fake floater, or a friend of such.
 
I would also note on the dog thing, that I offered a question to the group and got a lot of weird questions back, but no answers. My question was, wouldn't it be possible (not necessarily "probable") for a dog (for example, because I am not famillar with cats but I know that how they can autorotate in the *air* without pushing on anything, on the way from falling out the window to the ground, to always land on their feet, is something no scientist has ever been able to duplicate) to make himself (or female dog herself) "heavier" without a bathroom scale showing it? I mean, can a scale show everything? It seems there are a lot of thiings that weigh significantly different than the scale (which is made for a person) shows. This is in the form of a semi-theory, not an absolute mathematical proof at this time. If we could get some expert advice here, we could form a real theory of action. I would say we are in the formative stages, like when the wind blows against the grass, right?
 
YoPopa said:
Why throw gravity out? Gravity is present whether or not an object is being levitated. But that is not the point. Momentum is independent of gravity. Did you see the frog levitating in post # 145 or the weightless dog in #170? They are both comfortably traveling at the same rate through space as their containers.
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But gravity hadn't been suspended for the frog. There was an equal and opposite force being applied via a magnetic field, rather than as it usually is, by pressing against the ground.
Momentum is exactly what would separate you from the earth, should you be able to somehow screen yourself from gravity.
With gravity, you're following the arc made by the surface of the spinning earth -- a curved path.
At the point gravity stops for you, your momentum keeps you going in a straight line, tangential to the point on the earth you were at when the gravity stopped.
You'd still have all the velocity you had when gravity stopped, so initially, you'd stay over pretty much the same spot, but as the earth's surface curves away from you, the spot you were standing on is traveling at more and more of an angle to your straight line. From the point of view of someone standing next to you, you'd drift up and west of the local vertical of your starting position. Six hours later, your original local vertical would be moving at right angles to the straight line that your poor asphyxiated body is following.
 
To answer why the camaraman did not shoot the back of the Shaman I have several answers. One, it was too dark. Two, it would be undignified to show his backside. Three, it would put the camaraman into the view of the camara from the front, and would make the video look wierd. Fourth, the fires would hurt the camaraman who went back there. What's the big deal?
 
insidespace said:
To answer why the camaraman did not shoot the back of the Shaman I have several answers. One, it was too dark. Two, it would be undignified to show his backside. Three, it would put the camaraman into the view of the camara from the front, and would make the video look wierd. Fourth, the fires would hurt the camaraman who went back there. What's the big deal?
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Five, it was a COMPLETE AND UTTER FRAUD!!!
 
To answer why the camaraman did not shoot the back of the Shaman I have several answers. One, it was too dark. Two, it would be undignified to show his backside. Three, it would put the camaraman into the view of the camara from the front, and would make the video look wierd. Fourth, the fires would hurt the camaraman who went back there. What's the big deal?
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It was clearly not too dark to film, it was undignified to show him falling in a heap, they already showed his backside in the daylight portion, the cameraman was already in the shot from the front, and he could go behind the fires.

Anyone can levitate anyway, insidespace.

http://www.jefflindsay.com/gif/fam05/mark-levitates.jpg
 
insidespace said:
To answer why the camaraman did not shoot the back of the Shaman I have several answers. One, it was too dark. Two, it would be undignified to show his backside. Three, it would put the camaraman into the view of the camara from the front, and would make the video look wierd. Fourth, the fires would hurt the camaraman who went back there. What's the big deal?
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The cameraman had a light.

I think that is a very western view of dignity. How do you know the shaman isn't proud of his backside? "I like big butts and I cannot lie..."

The cameraman was already in the shot -- that's how we know he was there.

It was supposed to be weird. It's certainly not every day that you see people levitating. At least, it's calmed down quite a bit since I stopped taking those drugs.

Haven't you ever seen the videos of people doing firewalking? Don't you believe in firewalking? It shouldn't have hurt him at all.
 
insidespace said:
Another ability frequently attributed to saints is levitation. St. Joseph of Cupertino and St. Theresa of Avila were both reputed to do it frequently. One eyewitness swore Theresa remained airborne, eighteen inches off the ground, for about half an hour. The great Tibetan yogi Milarepa went one better: according to contemporary accounts, he was able to walk and even sleep while levitating. In the nineteenth century, the spiritualist medium Daniel Dunglas Home surprised several witnesses by floating out of a third story window and into another. The Italian medium Amedee Zuccarini was photographed levitating with his feet some twenty inches above the nearest support.
http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/b...4&type=Excerpt
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You definately believe EVERYTHING on the internet as long as the title of the paragraphs you're reading at the time says that it's real.
One eyewitness swore he saw levitation in action. Wow!! how can we argue with this proof. Mr. Shishlik, my next door neighbour said he saw a 747 jumbo land on his roof. He swears he saw this although it was gone a little bit later. There's absolute proof for you. why not? he's an eyewitness and swears he saw this.
Be real man.

This is in the form of a semi-theory, not an absolute mathematical proof at this time.
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Why do you even bother to mention mathematical proof? Obviously this means nothing to you. You base your whole view of life on hearsay and Youtube.

To answer why the camaraman did not shoot the back of the Shaman I have several answers. One, it was too dark. Two, it would be undignified to show his backside. Three, it would put the camaraman into the view of the camara from the front, and would make the video look wierd. Fourth, the fires would hurt the camaraman who went back there. What's the big deal?
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LTC8K6 answered you very well on this in post #233.

Regards,
Yair
 
Insidespace:

Why doesn't the shaman apply for the JREF 1 million dollar challenge?
Clearly levitation would be worth this grand prize!
 
madurobob said:
I've been able to test this today as I am telecommuting (read: "spending way too much of the corporation's time surfing the internets"). I am here to say that insidespace is absolutely correct.

I pick up my dog and it wiggles and the scale jumps, swinging about 5 pounds either way - about 1/10th her weight. However, neither my blender, cocktail shaker (no idea why THOSE were out), barbells, carburetor from my 64 Chrysler, nor my cat wiggle. The scale indicator does not bounce.

There is something truly mystical about this dog. The real question here is why did no-one notice this before?
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insidespace said:
I would also note on the dog thing, that I offered a question to the group and got a lot of weird questions back, but no answers. My question was, wouldn't it be possible (not necessarily "probable") for a dog (for example, because I am not famillar with cats but I know that how they can autorotate in the *air* without pushing on anything, on the way from falling out the window to the ground, to always land on their feet, is something no scientist has ever been able to duplicate) to make himself (or female dog herself) "heavier" without a bathroom scale showing it? I mean, can a scale show everything? It seems there are a lot of thiings that weigh significantly different than the scale (which is made for a person) shows. This is in the form of a semi-theory, not an absolute mathematical proof at this time. If we could get some expert advice here, we could form a real theory of action. I would say we are in the formative stages, like when the wind blows against the grass, right?
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You know it is absolutely incredible. I stood perfectly still on the scales willing them to move and they would not. Yet when I picked up my wriggling three year old the scaled continuously fluctuated.

Obviously the only conclusion is that when we are young we have this ability to change our weight yet lose it when we get older, apart from shamens who retain the ability.

Perhaps the ability is in the 90% of our brain that we don’t use.
 
insidespace said:
I would also note on the dog thing, that I offered a question to the group and got a lot of weird questions back, but no answers. My question was, wouldn't it be possible (not necessarily "probable") for a dog (for example, because I am not famillar with cats but I know that how they can autorotate in the *air* without pushing on anything, on the way from falling out the window to the ground, to always land on their feet, is something no scientist has ever been able to duplicate) to make himself (or female dog herself) "heavier" without a bathroom scale showing it? I mean, can a scale show everything? It seems there are a lot of thiings that weigh significantly different than the scale (which is made for a person) shows. This is in the form of a semi-theory, not an absolute mathematical proof at this time. If we could get some expert advice here, we could form a real theory of action. I would say we are in the formative stages, like when the wind blows against the grass, right?
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Don't do yourself down - I think this counts as absolute mathematical proof. In the same way as youtube comments count as evidence.

I especially like the modification you've made to the heavy dog theory. Dogs can get heavier in a special way that means they weigh the same on scales! That's just pure genius!
 
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