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Afghanistan

Cosmic Yak said:
Re. the highlighted: Turkmenistan is on the other side of Asia. Do you mean Tajikistan- which is more affiliated with Russia than with China- or perhaps Xinjiang, which was formerly known as Turkestan?
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You are correct, I meant Tajikistan. They are friendly enough with China that they could probably be bribed into letting China's military through. It's no skin off Russia's nose if China wants to throw money in a hole.
 
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The U.S. military seems to know a lot about Isis-K's next moves.

Spying on communications? A traitor within their ranks?
 
Michel H said:
The U.S. military seems to know a lot about Isis-K's next moves.

Spying on communications? A traitor within their ranks?
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Them being foolish enough to be using all this super cool hyper tech new communications equipment they just happen to have found lying around?

Just trying to put a good spin on an otherwise sorry situation. I can't help but assume ISIS-K managed to get their hands on some of the left behind hardware.

I really don't care about the "how" part of the U.S. Armed Forces discreetly following what ISIS-1000 are doing, just as long as they that that info and swat them good before they do any more harm to our people trying to get out. At least I hope that's what's going on behind the scenes right now, positive proactive prevention.
 
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Rockets fired at Kabul airport, they seemed to have been intercepted bu us Anti Aircraft units.
Not good,not good at all. THey could attempt to barrage the aircraft taking off.
 
Michel H said:
The U.S. military seems to know a lot about Isis-K's next moves.

Spying on communications? A traitor within their ranks?
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ISIS-K also seem to know a lot about the US military's next moves too.
Funny, that. It's almost as if, when planning an attack, they would observe their targets first.
However, I'm not a military man, so what do I know? :rolleyes:
 
Cosmic Yak said:
ISIS-K also seem to know a lot about the US military's next moves too.
Funny, that. It's almost as if, when planning an attack, they would observe their targets first.
However, I'm not a military man, so what do I know? :rolleyes:
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The U.S. military was able to strike a car containing explosives about a day ago near the Kabul airport, Cosmic Yak. Reuters explains:
WASHINGTON, Aug 29 (Reuters) - American forces launched a drone strike in Kabul on Sunday that killed a suicide car bomber suspected of preparing to attack the airport, U.S. officials said, as the United States nears the end of its military presence in the Afghan capital.

The strike, first reported by Reuters, was the second carried out by U.S. forces in Afghanistan since an Islamic State suicide bomber struck the airport on Thursday, killing 13 U.S. troops and scores of Afghan civilians trying to flee the country.
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(https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...litary-strike-kabul-officials-say-2021-08-29/).

It seems difficult (to me, at least) to identify such a suicide car bomber before it carries out the actual attack. But AP News does provide some details:
According to a senior U.S. official, the U.S. military drone fired a Hellfire missile at a vehicle in a compound between two buildings after individuals were seen loading explosives into the trunk. The official said there was an initial explosion caused by the missile, followed by a much larger fireball, believed to be the result of the substantial amount of explosives inside the vehicle. The U.S. believes that two Islamic State group individuals who were targeted were killed.
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(https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-kabul-us-taliban-9da4da11b5c8d00445b57aee297bd270).

So it's possible the U.S. military is carefully and constantly monitoring the surroundings of the airport, on the lookout for anything suspicious.

There were unfortunately civilian deaths in this strike:
The US military has said it is investigating after at least nine Afghan civilians were reportedly killed in a drone strike which aimed to prevent an attack on Kabul airport.
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(https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58380791).

When you (unnecessarily) invade another country on the other side of the world, this rarely remains nice and pretty.
 
Maybe.

The problem is, what is happening officially, and what is happening as scum take the same tack Duterte's supporters have in the Philippines?

I can certainly see multiple scenarios where psychopaths are using the power vacuum to do what the hell they like.

And I'm not sticking up for the Taliban any more than I'll watch them be blamed for all atrocities.

I'm sure you're aware how many Afghan children died as a result of Biden's promise to wreak vengeance on the ISIS Special K people.
 
The Atheist said:
Maybe.

The problem is, what is happening officially, and what is happening as scum take the same tack Duterte's supporters have in the Philippines?

I can certainly see multiple scenarios where psychopaths are using the power vacuum to do what the hell they like.

And I'm not sticking up for the Taliban any more than I'll watch them be blamed for all atrocities.

I'm sure you're aware how many Afghan children died as a result of Biden's promise to wreak vengeance on the ISIS Special K people.
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I think it is worth reflecting on what happened in France after WW2. Nearly 10,000 collaborators were summarily executed in local vigilantism. Nearly 100,000 will have been subject to other forms of justice such as being beaten up, tarred and feathered etc. This in a civilised western country. The truth is Afghanistan is a tribal country where feuds and vendettas remain a way of life. Whatever the central Taliban government say or want there are going to be local reprisals.
 
The Atheist said:
Steady on - aren't you talking about France?
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Yes, France. The country that inspired the founding fathers of the US. Not a country the would behave like mediaeval monsters like the Taliban do. I mean the execution of 50,000 people and imprisonment of 2% of the population (of about 15,000,000) in one year is not something that could happen in Enlightenment Europe you have to be evil mediaeval Islamists to do something like that. Not the inspiration of the USA.
 
Planigale said:
Yes, France. The country that inspired the founding fathers of the US. Not a country the would behave like mediaeval monsters like the Taliban do. I mean the execution of 50,000 people and imprisonment of 2% of the population (of about 15,000,000) in one year is not something that could happen in Enlightenment Europe you have to be evil mediaeval Islamists to do something like that. Not the inspiration of the USA.
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The population of France was about 40 million in 1945, Planigale, not about 15 million (see for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France#After_World_War_II).
 
Planigale said:
I think it is worth reflecting on what happened in France after WW2. Nearly 10,000 collaborators were summarily executed in local vigilantism. Nearly 100,000 will have been subject to other forms of justice such as being beaten up, tarred and feathered etc. This in a civilised western country. The truth is Afghanistan is a tribal country where feuds and vendettas remain a way of life. Whatever the central Taliban government say or want there are going to be local reprisals.
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Can you just give us an estimate on how many children the Taliban are going to need to gang rape and butcher in front of their parents in order to re-establish non-medieval religious authority?
 
The Atheist said:
Maybe.

The problem is, what is happening officially, and what is happening as scum take the same tack Duterte's supporters have in the Philippines?

I can certainly see multiple scenarios where psychopaths are using the power vacuum to do what the hell they like.

And I'm not sticking up for the Taliban any more than I'll watch them be blamed for all atrocities.
I'm sure you're aware how many Afghan children died as a result of Biden's promise to wreak vengeance on the ISIS Special K people.
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Which atrocities, specifically, are being blamed on the Taliban unfairly?
 
This infidel knew the rules:
In an interview with The New York Times Wednesday, Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said "music is forbidden in Islam," when asked if it would once again be banned in public in Afghanistan.
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But don't worry. This is the "new" Taliban:
He added that the Taliban hoped it could "persuade people not to do such things, instead of pressuring them."
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trustbutverify said:
Can you just give us an estimate on how many children the Taliban are going to need to gang rape and butcher in front of their parents in order to re-establish non-medieval religious authority?
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None.

I think you will find that both rape and murder of children will be crimes under the Taliban, and probably more severely punished than in the West. Since i am opposed to capital punishment I am absolutely not arguing that the use of capital punishment by the Taliban or anyone else is a good thing.

What about the US? How many children are needed to be gang raped and murdered to establish a liberal democratic government?

Atrocities happen, I do not defend them. But do not pretend that the US hasn't just butchered 6 children in front of their parents as its last act of the occupation of Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings
https://pictureshistory.blogspot.com/2009/11/american-soldiers-rape-vietnam-war.html
 
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