AE911Truth Watch

[beachnut]

Sure, look closely at the lower left corner of the cut.
Above where the arrow is pointing, part of the column isn't cut yet there is slag running down the outside.
This part could not have been cut from the side or the back with an acetylene torch.

I don't expect you to take my word for anything. I only ask that you look at the photograph and present logical argument why you think otherwise.
Good points made so far:
The video showing angle cuts
Sometimes they temporarily 'tack' a platform to the side of something to cut it.
The bottom could have been cut from the side.

How can you account for the slag where it can't be cut from the back?

It was cut during clean up. You are making up stuff and failing.

Clean up cut.

 

[Architect]

You'd think that the NWO, having carried out this dastardly deed, would be a bit more careful about leaving such "obvious" evidence for the world to see......wouldn't you?

 

[DGM]

I see Christopher7 is still lying about this cut.

SHOW US HOW IT"S DONE!

 

[funk de fino]

I cannot believe C7 listed Heiwa as one of his experts, too funny

Its like watching your dad dance at weddings.

 

[A W Smith]

Sure, look closely at the lower left corner of the cut.
Above where the arrow is pointing, part of the column isn't cut yet there is slag running down the outside.
This part could not have been cut from the side or the back with an acetylene torch.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3187/cut3ol5.jpg


I don't expect you to take my word for anything. I only ask that you look at the photograph and present logical argument why you think otherwise.
Good points made so far:
The video showing angle cuts
Sometimes they temporarily 'tack' a platform to the side of something to cut it.
The bottom could have been cut from the side.

How can you account for the slag where it can't be cut from the back?

No Chris. that lower left corner shows where the three inch think steel plates are welded together to make that column shape. That is not a rolled shape. Those welds during fabrication are not root welds. They are surface fillet welds. Since those plates are not continuous around the corners your torch cuts need not intersect. The slag is from the plate nearest the camera.

 

[Christopher7]

No Chris. that lower left corner shows where the three inch think steel plates are welded together to make that column shape. That is not a rolled shape. Those welds during fabrication are not root welds. They are surface fillet welds. Since those plates are not continuous around the corners your torch cuts need not intersect. The slag is from the plate nearest the camera.

Right, the slag is on the side nearest the camera.
It could not be cut from behind.
A cutting torch does NOT leave slag on the cutting side,
it leaves slag on the back side of the cut.
This cut was NOT made with a cutting torch.

Also:
The suggestion that the near side was cut from behind by reaching thru the sides does not make sense.
It would be safer to cut the near side [direction of fall] first, then the sides, and be standing on the opposite side from the fall while making the final cut.

 

[DGM]

Right, the slag is on the side nearest the camera.
It could not be cut from behind.
A cutting torch does NOT leave slag on the cutting side,
it leaves slag on the back side of the cut.
This cut was NOT made with a cutting torch.

Also:
The suggestion that the near side was cut from behind by reaching thru the sides does not make sense.
It would be safer to cut the near side [direction of fall] first, then the sides, and be standing on the opposite side from the fall while making the final cut.

I told you how this could be done. I can demonstrate it. WHEN DO YOU PLAN TO PROVE THIS CAN BE DONE YOUR WAY?

 

[Christopher7]

I told you how this could be done. I can demonstrate it. WHEN DO YOU PLAN TO PROVE THIS CAN BE DONE YOUR WAY?

How can you demonstrate that the column in question was cut by an acetylene torch?

The proof of melted metal is in the photograph.
It is not necessary or possible for me to personally acquire the materials necessary to recreate what we can see in the photograph.

Your request is just a denier tactic.

 

[DGM]

How can you demonstrate that the column in question was cut by an acetylene torch?

The proof of melted metal is in the photograph.
It is not necessary or possible for me to personally acquire the materials necessary to recreate what we can see in the photograph.

Your request is just a denier tactic.

I don't need to because you can't show that it can be made with "thermite".

All you need to do is demonstrate that it possible to cut a column with "thermite" and have it look like that. I can make that cut with my torch . Including the slag on the outer lower edge.

After you figure that out maybe you can advise "truth burn" because they failed miserably.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

You might want to re word that.

ETA - better

 

[DGM]

Your right! Whoops

 

[Christopher7]

I don't need to because you can't show that it can be made with "thermite".

Cheap dodge

All you need to do is demonstrate that it possible to cut a column with "thermite" and have it look like that.

Request the impossible to avoid what we can see in the photograph.

I can do that (and have done it) many times. Including the slag on the outer lower edge.

Sure you have.
Care to show a video of your work?

 

[DGM]

Cheap dodge

Request the impossible to avoid what we can see in the photograph.

Sure you have.
Care to show a video of your work?

That picture was made by a kid with a magnifying glass on a sunny day.

I have as much proof of that as you do of your "theory". By your logic that is.

 

[DGM]

Sure you have.
Care to show a video of your work?

I'll see what I can do next week.

 

[Minadin]

I don't need to because you can't show that it can be made with "thermite".

All you need to do is demonstrate that it possible to cut a column with "thermite" and have it look like that. I can make that cut with my torch . Including the slag on the outer lower edge.

After you figure that out maybe you can advise "truth burn" because they failed miserably.

Cheap dodge

Request the impossible to avoid what we can see in the photograph.

Sure you have.
Care to show a video of your work?

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Chris7-

Are you actually attempting to make your argument that it's impossible to demonstrate how to cut a column with therm(i,a)te, when your position is that the column was in fact cut by the therm(i,a)te? You might want to consider that very carefully.

Would you not agree that if a similar effect can be shown to be explained by the application of conventional tools and methods, which by definition, already exist and are in use, it's a much more likely explanation for that phenomenon than the unconventional use of unknown tools and methods, which cannot be demonstrated?

 

[Christopher7]

(emphasis mine)


Chris7-

Are you actually attempting to make your argument that it's impossible to demonstrate how to cut a column with therm(i,a)te, when your position is that the column was in fact cut by the therm(i,a)te? You might want to consider that very carefully.

It would be impossible for me to conduct such a test and asking me to do so is just cheap rhetorical tripe.

Would you not agree that if a similar effect can be shown to be explained by the application of conventional tools and methods, which by definition, already exist and are in use, it's a much more likely explanation for that phenomenon than the unconventional use of unknown tools and methods, which cannot be demonstrated?

The way to verify what melted the steel in that column is to conduct and video a test of a 4" thick box column using both methods.

Anything less than a video of someone actually making that cut in a 4" thick box beam could be faked and would would prove nothing.

 

[DGM]

(emphasis mine)


Chris7-

It would be impossible for me to conduct such a test and asking me to do so is just cheap rhetorical tripe.

The way to verify what melted the steel in that column is to conduct and video a test of a 4" thick box column using both methods.

Anything less than a video of someone actually making that cut in a 4" thick box beam could be faked and would would prove nothing.

Why doesn't your "Truth" movement do this to back up their claim? I never meant you specifically. It's never been done your way before.

 

[WildCat]

It would be impossible for me to conduct such a test and asking me to do so is just cheap rhetorical tripe.

The entire truth movement can't scrape together enough money to buy a scrap steel column and cut it with thermite?

Oh yeah, truthburn did just that and couldn't get it to work. Hmmmm...

 

[scissorhands]

That cut column looks like it was cut first on the back face and both side faces, leaving a "hinge" (as in tree felling cuts) at lower left, to direct it where the thermal lance operator wanted it to fall.
The angle of fall would be worked out beforehand by the weight distribution of whatever was connected to the column higher up.
The fall would warp the front face sufficiently to get a thermal lance in
and the front face would have been cut from behind afterwards.
No need for thermite.

 

[Christopher7]

Why doesn't your "Truth" movement do this to back up their claim? I never meant you specifically. It's never been done your way before.

Really?
What makes you so sure?
You have no proof that this cut was made with an acetylene cutting torch.

You have a staged photograph with slag on the outside of a column.
Your debunking site debunks that photo with pictures of the cutting and back sides of an acetylene cutting torch cut.
The slag in on the back side.
Someone cut a hole in the other side of this column in order to make this cut from the inside.
However, this does not make any sense. Cutting a hole takes more time. There is no logical reason to cut a hole in one side just to cut the other side from inside the column.