Adventures with AE911truth

[beachnut]

"Show me an official lie about 9/11. Please, so far not one has come up."

learn to use the quote function.

Many of the supposed hijackers that crashed the planes into the towers have shown up alive. This has been reported by multiple mainstream sources. I'm not going to give you a link because if you were interested in truth you would know this.

Debunked, this is so old, where have you been hiding. Sorry, this is false and now makes you a liar.

Or, how about the towers collapsing from fire when its obvious from the video that towers 1 & 2 were blown up & wtc7 was a perfectly executed conventional controlled demolition (textbook example). You can see pieces being ejected outward and upward during towers 1 & 2 collapse. Fire doesn't do that.

No sounds of RDX, sorry, no CD. Next. Also zero blast effects. How did those guys survive in the core with all your fantasy explosives going off? Darn, another lie.

How about the gov saying that no one ever considered someone flying planes into the wtc's when their own internal docs, publiucations and memos prove otherwise. Plus it WAS ON TV - The Lone Gunman.

I read it in a book well before 9/11, but I never thought anyone would do it for real. Did you? Your point?

So theres a few lies just off the top of my head.

Yes, and they all are by you. You tell lies.

The FBI tapes of the wtc '93 bombing prove FBI involvement in both planning and execution of that bombing - again on mainstream but before the big corporate conglomeration of the media that was necessary to bring the USA and the world under fascists dictatorship control.

What? You are sounding nuts now.

Maybe we will meet up at one of the detention centers that have been built (also on mainstream).

Only truthers will be in the centers, I am running the one east of Jesus. Sorry buddy.

Perhaps you will wake up when the cops start grabbing the cute kids off the street and using them for the international sex slave trade - corporate profits for Haliburton & Bechtel. (also on mainstream)

OMG, you are nuts!

Maybe you should just stick your head back in the sand.

You need to stop eating sand. You are one really messed up kid, seek mental health help as soon as possible.

They let you join AE911truth?

 

[Doug Plumb]

I have argued in threads like this enough to know that all the links will not matter.

There are US gov docs describing nuclear devices developed exclusively for the purpose of building demolition. I don't care if you believe it or not because if you don't you haven't done the research. You can find them easily enough.

I do not know what happened. I do not speculate because I am not a conspiracy theorist. I work only from fact.

Alex Jones is not a conspiracy theorist either. He also works from fact. Some people think he aggagerates the interpretation of fact but this does not mean he is a conspiracy theorist.

I listen to lots of conspiracy theorists on the web and I do respect their viewpoints but unfortunately for you, Alex Jones isn't one of them.

This is one way of showing how out of touch with logic & reality the "debunker movement" or what I call the "bowel movement" actually is.

Jones only points out evidence that proves the official version is a lie and some of the more obvious facts about 9/11. For 9/11 info I go to Jim Hoffman or Judy Wood as the best sources. I'm not yet convinced of Stephen Jones reliability but I haven't a lot of work into investigating Jones so thats probably an unfair characterization. I also like Bill Deagles work.

Most of these hypothesis are going to be wrong - of course only one can be right but that is the nature of scientific inquiry.

 

[uk_dave]

Many of the supposed hijackers that crashed the planes into the towers have shown up alive. This has been reported by multiple mainstream sources. I'm not going to give you a link because if you were interested in truth you would know this.

awwwww, c'mon Doug. The 'truth' movement has had 6 years in which to present these people. Where are they? Just think of the wars you could have prevented had you found them.

Don't think you 'truthers' are trying hard enough.

Or, how about the towers collapsing from fire when its obvious from the video that towers 1 & 2 were blown up & wtc7 was a perfectly executed conventional controlled demolition (textbook example). You can see pieces being ejected outward and upward during towers 1 & 2 collapse. Fire doesn't do that.

Yeah how about that? Ever sen a 110 storey building brought down with an unconventional top down demolition process prior to 9/11?
No?
Didn't think so.

Obvious huh?

How about the gov saying that no one ever considered someone flying planes into the wtc's when their own internal docs, publiucations and memos prove otherwise. Plus it WAS ON TV - The Lone Gunman.

It was on a TV show? Crikey, case solved.

Perhaps you will wake up when the cops start grabbing the cute kids off the street and using them for the international sex slave trade - corporate profits for Haliburton & Bechtel. (also on mainstream)

Ahem.
What other fantasies do you have, Doug? That one is getting a bit...suspect.

Maybe we should advise the police that you fantasize about them kidnapping children for the sex slave trade. Cute ones, at that. The ugly ones are probably dispensable in Plumbland.

 

[ref]

I have argued in threads like this enough to know that all the links will not matter.

There are US gov docs describing nuclear devices developed exclusively for the purpose of building demolition. I don't care if you believe it or not because if you don't you haven't done the research. You can find them easily enough.

I do not know what happened. I do not speculate because I am not a conspiracy theorist. I work only from fact.

Alex Jones is not a conspiracy theorist either. He also works from fact. Some people think he aggagerates the interpretation of fact but this does not mean he is a conspiracy theorist.

I listen to lots of conspiracy theorists on the web and I do respect their viewpoints but unfortunately for you, Alex Jones isn't one of them.

This is one way of showing how out of touch with logic & reality the "debunker movement" or what I call the "bowel movement" actually is.

Jones only points out evidence that proves the official version is a lie and some of the more obvious facts about 9/11. For 9/11 info I go to Jim Hoffman or Judy Wood as the best sources. I'm not yet convinced of Stephen Jones reliability but I haven't a lot of work into investigating Jones so thats probably an unfair characterization. I also like Bill Deagles work.

Most of these hypothesis are going to be wrong - of course only one can be right but that is the nature of scientific inquiry.

Alex Jones is not a conspiracy theorist?

Alex Jones (33) (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Claims that Communism was a plot by international banks in the early 1900s to oppress the Russian serfs.


Or Jim Hoffman?

Jim Hoffman (software engineer) - Strong supporter of the controlled demolition theory. Claims the entire 9/11 attack was an inside job not involving Al Qaida at all, because only US officials had access to the underlying infrastructure of the buildings and possibility to plant explosives. Claims Mr. Zdenek P. Bazant is ignorant of structural engineering (In reality he is one of world's leading structural engineers. Bazant's resume is here, Hoffman's bio here). Claims the planes were remotely controlled, because "It would not be rational for the planners of such an attack to entrust a key component of the operation - the piloting of the jetliners - to any human pilot". Claims NORAD was ordered to stand down. Suggests the attacks might have been carried out by as few as twelve individuals. Claims huge sums of money could have bought people's co-operation, keeping them silent. Claims the attacks were so bold and shocking, that even people who were involved in covering it up (like leaders in the media, FEMA, FBI, etc.) would fall for the fraud. Continues to cite the work of Eric Hufschmid and Christopher Bollyn, despite the fact that they are holocaust deniers or racist, because the selected works he cites do not betray them as holocaust deniers or racist.


Or Judy Wood? You and her share the belief in some exotic weapons.

 

[e^n]

I have no interest in anything but honest debate and its impossible to debate 9/11 theories with dupporters of the official version. Even PM, Nova, BBC & NIST misrepresented the construction of the buildings wrt strength & size of central core.

Doug, this is why people disrespect conspiracy theorists. NIST did not misrepresent core column size. This claim is only brought up because NIST and FEMA released diagrams showing very small core columns and 'truthers' argued from incredulity it was false. They continued to supplement this claim when blueprints were released by comparing the images NIST and FEMA provided with a 66th floor plan (not 78th or above). Here is a comparison I drew up between scaled versions of NISTs diagram and the actual architectural blueprints. As you can see they are extremely close despite my poor matching.



Here is what NIST has to say about core columns:

Core Columns
As stated above, the core columns were designed to support approximately 50 percent of the gravity loads. The core columns were of two types: welded box columns and rolled wide flange shapes (Fig. 2–11). The columns in the lower floors were primarily very large box columns, as large as 12 in. by 52 in., comprised of welded plates up to 7 in. thick. In the upper floors, the columns shifted to the rolled wide-flange shapes. The transition floors are indicated in Fig. 2–12 for each of the core columns. Core columns were typically spliced at three-story intervals. Diagonal bracing was used at the mechanical floors and in the area of the hat truss. Steel used for core box columns was either 36 ksi or 42 ksi. Core wide flange columns were specified to be one of four grades, but were primarily 36 ksi and 42 ksi steel; only about 1 percent of all the core columns were made of 45 ksi or 50 ksi steel.

Clearly NIST did not misrepresent column size in this report, so as an honest researcher I have to ask you where you got these facts, why you have not even read NCSTAR 1-1 and whether you will admit to being wrong.

 

[Brainache]

Please, someone make it stop! A dumb plug for Doug Plumb!!

 

[scissorhands]

Doug, where is your organ grinder?
Richard doesnt seem very keen on debating any of this.
His video presentations look slick and nicely manufactured, but hes clever enough to know its built on the sand of woo, prod it even slightly and it will collapse.

 

[beachnut]

I have argued in threads like this enough to know that all the links will not matter.

So far I would say you have failed to make a point.

There are US gov docs describing nuclear devices developed exclusively for the purpose of building demolition. I don't care if you believe it or not because if you don't you haven't done the research. You can find them easily enough.

So now a nuke did it. You need to study nukes, they make a big explosion. Even the tiny ones. Your nuke idea is stillborn.

I do not know what happened. I do not speculate because I am not a conspiracy theorist. I work only from fact.

So far I have seen zero facts from you, just lies from 9/11 truth.

Alex Jones is not a conspiracy theorist either. He also works from fact. Some people think he aggagerates the interpretation of fact but this does not mean he is a conspiracy theorist.

Alex Jones is nuts, by supporting him you prove you have zero facts. Go ahead present one fact from Alex Jones or Thermite Jones.

I listen to lots of conspiracy theorists on the web and I do respect their viewpoints but unfortunately for you, Alex Jones isn't one of them.

So?

This is one way of showing how out of touch with logic & reality the "debunker movement" or what I call the "bowel movement" actually is.

And? When will you ever find a fact?

Jones only points out evidence that proves the official version is a lie and some of the more obvious facts about 9/11. For 9/11 info I go to Jim Hoffman or Judy Wood as the best sources. I'm not yet convinced of Stephen Jones reliability but I haven't a lot of work into investigating Jones so thats probably an unfair characterization. I also like Bill Deagles work.

Judy Wood, beam weapon, nut case. Next. So far you are getting to the more nut type 9/11 truth people. You have perfect record going, no facts no evidence to support 9/11 truth ideas.

Most of these hypothesis are going to be wrong - of course only one can be right but that is the nature of scientific inquiry.

But you have zero correct hypothesis. Good work. http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php This is the correct place for you, they have no facts either. You are a classic really challenged person.

 

[ref]

Please, someone make it stop! A dumb plug for Doug Plumb!!

This is good material for the Truthers Exposed thread

 

[beachnut]

Please, someone make it stop! A dumb plug for Doug Plumb!!

I was just looking up stuff, but no, a nuke, a beam weapon, and more, come out all at once to...

 

[pomeroo]

I have argued in threads like this enough to know that all the links will not matter.

There are US gov docs describing nuclear devices developed exclusively for the purpose of building demolition. I don't care if you believe it or not because if you don't you haven't done the research. You can find them easily enough.

I do not know what happened. I do not speculate because I am not a conspiracy theorist. I work only from fact.

Alex Jones is not a conspiracy theorist either. He also works from fact. Some people think he aggagerates the interpretation of fact but this does not mean he is a conspiracy theorist.

I listen to lots of conspiracy theorists on the web and I do respect their viewpoints but unfortunately for you, Alex Jones isn't one of them.

This is one way of showing how out of touch with logic & reality the "debunker movement" or what I call the "bowel movement" actually is.

Jones only points out evidence that proves the official version is a lie and some of the more obvious facts about 9/11. For 9/11 info I go to Jim Hoffman or Judy Wood as the best sources. I'm not yet convinced of Stephen Jones reliability but I haven't a lot of work into investigating Jones so thats probably an unfair characterization. I also like Bill Deagles work.

Most of these hypothesis are going to be wrong - of course only one can be right but that is the nature of scientific inquiry.

I'm afraid most of us won't swallow the yarn about nukes for demolishing buildings--all that nasty radiation and stuff. You might be able to persuade me that a sledgehammer can be used to fix a hard drive, however. I know I've been tempted to give it a try.

You probably won't like what Steven Jones has to say about the mini-nukes. But, then, his work on Jesus's visits to the Americas is highly creative, and an imagination unfettered by data is what we're looking for in a researcher, right?

http://www.journalof911studies.com/...re-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf

 

[Gravy]

Maybe you should just stick your head back in the sand.

Like everything else in your bizarre post, the idea that ostriches try to hide by sticking their heads underground is a myth.

I fervently hope that you stay involved in the "truth" movement, Doug. With people like you leading the way, debunking is simply a matter of pointing.

Say hi to the past for me, and if you see any of my hair there, please bring it back on your next time-travel.

 

[Gravy]

Clearly NIST did not misrepresent column size in this report, so as an honest researcher I have to ask you where you got these facts, why you have not even read NCSTAR 1-1 and whether you will admit to being wrong.

In the interest of accuracy, there is a mistake in that NIST description. It should be 22x52, not 12x52. That's a typo, though, and doesn't figure into their calculations or models.

 

[e^n]

In the interest of accuracy, there is a mistake in that NIST description. It should be 22x52, not 12x52. That's a typo, though, and doesn't figure into their calculations or models.

How dare you insult the NIST report don't you understand that it's 100% accurate? (in other news, I imagine his source for this is 911research)

 

[Doug Plumb]

"Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. "

All these things have been admitted and/or proven to be true.

As far as the evil entity of people that control the world, THEY have admitted it. They are the ones that print the money. Look up "banker quotes" sometime. The web site for The Money Masters has numerous presidential quotes. The illuminati symbol is on your money.

The best way to learn how the world works is to look up and read "The Report From Iron Mountain". You can learn about global warming and UFO's from that. It wasn't a hoax. It was authenticated by Galbraith.

 

[bje]

Like everything else in your bizarre post, the idea that ostriches try to hide by sticking their heads underground is a myth.

I fervently hope that you stay involved in the "truth" movement, Doug. With people like you leading the way, debunking is simply a matter of pointing.

Obviously, Doug is a candidate for Steven Jones's new training course.

 

[beachnut]

"Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. "

All these things have been admitted and/or proven to be true.

As far as the evil entity of people that control the world, THEY have admitted it. They are the ones that print the money. Look up "banker quotes" sometime. The web site for The Money Masters has numerous presidential quotes. The illuminati symbol is on your money.

The best way to learn how the world works is to look up and read "The Report From Iron Mountain". You can learn about global warming and UFO's from that. It wasn't a hoax. It was authenticated by Galbraith.

You really need some help. You still have not found any facts to support anything you have said.

 

[Gravy]

I
Alex Jones is not a conspiracy theorist either. He also works from fact. Some people think he aggagerates the interpretation of fact but this does not mean he is a conspiracy theorist.

I need to nominate this for a Stundie award now, before I aggagerate.

For 9/11 info I go to Jim Hoffman or Judy Wood as the best sources.

Damn, two Stundie nominations in one post. That's quite an achievement, Doug. Keep 'em coming!

 

[e^n]

All these things have been admitted and/or proven to be true.

No they have not, the very fact you claim the FDNY is responsible for murder is enough to disqualify you as an unbiased researcher.

Please present me with a single motive which would cause any FDNY worker to murder up to 300 of his colleagues? This is essentially what you are claiming happened.

I am frankly astounded by the lack of professionalism you are displaying.

 

[Doug Plumb]

"Clearly NIST did not misrepresent column size in this report, so as an honest researcher I have to ask you where you got these facts, why you have not even read NCSTAR 1-1 and whether you will admit to being wrong."

"In the interest of accuracy, there is a mistake in that NIST description. It should be 22x52, not 12x52. That's a typo, though, and doesn't figure into their calculations or models."

Funny how these core columns get misrepresented consistently. How about that BBC animation of the collapses - no core even there. The official stories consistently ignored the core or misrepresented its size. Its a pattern of deception.