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Adventures with AE911truth

Doug Plumb said:
"Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. "

All these things have been admitted and/or proven to be true.

As far as the evil entity of people that control the world, THEY have admitted it. They are the ones that print the money. Look up "banker quotes" sometime. The web site for The Money Masters has numerous presidential quotes. The illuminati symbol is on your money.
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Yoiks! The Illuminati is on our money!! All I can say is that it's a damn good thing the Illuminati doesn't exist, or...or...well, I don't know exactly.



The best way to learn how the world works is to look up and read "The Report From Iron Mountain". You can learn about global warming and UFO's from that. It wasn't a hoax. It was authenticated by Galbraith.
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Others have told me that the best way to learn how the world works is to refuse to pay credit card bills.
 
Doug Plumb
Toronto, ON · May 5, 2007

"I am a monetary reformist and believe it is the most important issue of humanity."
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The woo runs deep with this one.
 
Doug Plumb said:
If it turns out that the official version is something that only covers up a great crime then you guys are guilty of that crime as well.
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There is no "official version", Doug. There is only the evidence from thousands of different sources and hundreds of unconnected witnesses. Your "official version" canard was put to rest long ago and remains the Achilles heal of your 9/11 Denial Movement.

I'm not sure where these folks that constantly voluntarily speak on the governments behalf come from, but surely even the person with a minimum of critical thinking capabilities must recognise that it is the governments job to convince the citizenry of its truthfulness while it is the job of the citizenry to question and to doubt.
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This presents you with a huge problem, Doug: the evidence of what happened on 9/11 did not come from the government. They are neither the source of the evidence nor had control of it to begin with.

Your 9/11 denial movement has always deceitfully tried to simply matters for itself by blaming one entity - the government - to avoid having to deal with the evidence - all of that massive evidence - that you cannot refute.

We've always been onto you, Doug. You need to get up to date on the facts.
 
Doug Plumb said:
For the crushing of testicles and sexual torure of young children:

search "torture_yoo_being_asked_justify_crushing_childrens_testicls.htm"

(see video-Skip forward to 1hr: 39mins: 43seconds)

John Yoo is widely quoted on this.

You can listen to the interviews of Michael Ratner, Dr John Coleman, wrt constitutional issues and the Bush administration.

The neocons do not outwardly plan to make sex slavery legal they just do not want to have their minions prosecuted for it when it is done outside the borders of the USA.

Here is a general link to the preversions and acts of evil on the part of the folks you guys are so veraciously defending on this forum.

search "021006elitistperversion.htm"

Lots of main stream links about investigations being shut down, etc.

There have also been numerous FBI agents & cops come out about this. You can search for Ted Gundersen or listen to the Rothstein interview archived at arcticbeacon for May 24 / 2007.

(I cannot post URLs yet because I haven't been here long enough)
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Give up this boy/sex thing it is not good
 
Doug, for your information:

Osamas motives are as follows:
1) USA military presence in the middle east.
2) USA aid's Israel, monetarily, and militarily.
3) US Military shelled Beirut in 1982, the collapse of tower blocks gave him the idea for attacking the twin towers.
4) The Quran compels muslims to fight whenever they feel oppressed.

Take a look at the Quran:http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005

Numerous Surahs exist in the Quran which discuss fighting.
There have been many mujahiddeen's in the history of Islam.
Al Qaeda percieve themselves to be taking revenge against injustice's caused by the USA in the middle east.They had the means (Osama Bin Laden was trained as an engineer himself, and owns ten percent of the shares in the Bin Laden construction company, which has lucrative contracts with the Saudi Royal Family), they had trained pilots, & they had the motive.

Fires burning at 650 degrees C will reduce steel to less than half its normal tensile strength, that combined with a load will cause deformity. Deformity in the steel of the world trade center was observed by police helicopters, and the outer columns were bowing inwards...

I would have thought as an engineer you would have known about this, however you are an electrician by trade and not, an expert in the field of structural fire engineering. Infact you aren't even a ley person. Kindly explain what qualifications you have that are relavent to understanding the collapse of a steel framed building which has suffered structural damage and fire ?
 
SLOB said:
Umm, now that mininukes seems to be the fad again, I just like to run something by you guys to see if its correct.

Wasn't all research regarding mini-nukes banned in the US between 1993 and 2003? (I've read somewhere that the ban was lifted may 8th 2003 by Bush).

Oh and NAU? Whassat?

Cheers,
SLOB
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NAU = North American Union

It's supposed to be what the future has in store for Canada, the United States, and Mexico. We'll be coerced into basically forming a supernation in order to compete with the EU economically. We'll all share the same money and there will be open borders. It's just one more step toward the one-world government that the NWO wants.

Of course, it ignores the fact that the gross economy of the US already basically does compete with the EU on its own, even though it only has 2/3 of the population, and that neither of the northern 2 countries in this hypothetical alliance particularly want to burden themselves with the issues of their neighbor directly to the south, and that each of the nations mentioned seems to very much enjoy being their own independent country.

Besides that, it has very little basis in actuality. I believe that the theories first formed around the time the EU was being organized, and there were talks about various economic alliances with our neighbors here in North America - of which one result was NAFTA - but there were other things discussed regarding expanding guest worker programs, opening the borders, making it easier to move goods, services, jobs, and people, around the continent . . . which is where most of this talk comes from. Most often I hear mentioned is the mythical "NAFTA Superhighway" which is supposed be some giant 16-lane wide monstrosity that starts in Texas somewhere near (at?) the border and goes straight to Canada (although where in Canada has always been rather unclear).
 
We are the USA. Your uniqueness will be added to the collective. Resistance is futile.
 
Doug Plumb said:
Funny how these core columns get misrepresented consistently. How about that BBC animation of the collapses - no core even there. The official stories consistently ignored the core or misrepresented its size. Its a pattern of deception.
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You claim this, but I have just presented you evidence from the only official report showing clear definition of the core columns. Not only this, if you had read the NIST report as any true researcher should you would have noticed that NIST conducted a large amount of testing to determine how the core columns behaved.

Have you read the NIST report? How many pages?
 
Doug Plumb said:
Lets be clear about why I will not debate any of you debunkers:

You lie. You misrepresent your qualifications.
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What, you mean like this? "The conventional explanation does not explain what Judy Woods has uncovered. She gives a talk with photos on her site Google "jane Doe Judy Wood". She is a Phd Structural Engineer and has other related degrees in material science. No one is more qualified than Judy Wood."



Doug Plumb said:
This would be the easiest thing to do. Hiding is best done in plain sight.
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You must suck at hide and seek.


Doug Plumb said:
Many of the supposed hijackers that crashed the planes into the towers have shown up alive. This has been reported by multiple mainstream sources. I'm not going to give you a link because if you were interested in truth you would know this.
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Really? I would have thought that if any of them had "shown up alive" you guys would be wheeling them out at every one of your glorified circlejerks. Where are they Doug?


Doug Plumb said:
I do not know what happened. I do not speculate because I am not a conspiracy theorist. I work only from fact.
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You say that and yet you have still to present us with any.


Alex Jones is not a conspiracy theorist either. He also works from fact. Some people think he aggagerates the interpretation of fact but this does not mean he is a conspiracy theorist.
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Wow. If Jones does fit the description of conspiracy theorist I'd really like to know who does!


Doug Plumb said:
"Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. "

All these things have been admitted and/or proven to be true.
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When was it admitted/proven to be true that AIDS was orchestrated by the government? I'm sure I would have caught that headline.


Doug Plumb said:
Furthermore, if in fact Osama bin Laden planned and executed these attacks from a cave in Afghanistan then the only thing I am guilty of is being a responsible & inquisitive citizen.
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Well that and accusing innocent people of mass murder.


Doug Plumb said:
I have never discussed my world views on 9/11 with Richard Gage, I simply volunteered to help with the verifications for him. I am in no way a spokesman for him or his site any more than any of the other names listed.
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Wow, so you're sole responsibility was to make sure that only people with genuine qualifications were listed on the site? That doesn't reflect very well on you now does it?
 
Well said Civilized Worm, Doug's arguments have been made into mincemeat:

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It may explain why he doesn't like debate.
 
peteweaver said:
Kindly explain what qualifications you have that are relavent to understanding the collapse of a steel framed building which has suffered structural damage and fire ?
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He has prisonplanet as his home page on his computer.
 
You guys seem to talk a lot but almost never say anything. Then you had pixels to the conversation as if to emphasise the previous point with a further waste of bandwidth.
 
Really? I would have thought that if any of them had "shown up alive" you guys would be wheeling them out at every one of your glorified circlejerks. Where are they Doug?
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Its impossible for them to appear in public because what they would have to say would thoroughly discredit the USA and its president and likely cause something close to a revolution.

When that sort of thing happens people get killed off instead. Don't you know any history of your own country ? Every monetary reformer except Jackson was killed and Jackson got awfully lucky because two pistols did not go off.

You should listen to a few of Kennedys speeches before they killed him.
 
How are you coming along with the enormous amount of reading material that you've been referred to, Doug Who Doesn't Debate?
 
Doug Plumb said:
Its impossible for them to appear in public because what they would have to say would thoroughly discredit the USA and its president and likely cause something close to a revolution.

When that sort of thing happens people get killed off instead. Don't you know any history of your own country ? Every monetary reformer except Jackson was killed and Jackson got awfully lucky because two pistols did not go off.

You should listen to a few of Kennedys speeches before they killed him.
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Post hoc rationalize much?

Take it to the UN. Take it to foreign media. Take it to the loo and flush it.
 
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