Merged Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program UFO'S

[GT/CS]

You are digging yourself into a deeper hole.

Are you now agreeing that the Rendlesham UFO actually weighed as much as a normal forest rabbit and that's why the indentations are only 38mm deep?

Average Weight of Rabbit : 0.4 to 2 kilograms

Wait a minute, I thought mice controlled the universe??!!!

 

[smartcooky]

....if you believe that.

Which type or group is more known for triumphant parroting of govt releases when it serves their stance?

career pilots

career govt types

statists (for lack of a better term)

pseudo skeptics (for lack of a better term)

so called conspiracists (for lack of a better term)

it is bias that gets in the way so until actual proof is found this discussion goes round and and round like a merry go round.

The only poster here parroting government releases is skyeagle409. The rest are just linking to them and letting people make up their own minds.

The problem with Flying Saucer nutcases is that they incorrectly conflate UFOs with interstellar alien visitor's spaceships. UFO means "Unidentified Flying Object"; the key word here is UNIDENTIFIED. We don't know what they are.

So far, in at least 70 years of UFO sightings and observations, there has been not a single iota of proof, not the tiniest transistor, or a single piece of material evidence

Lots of reported sightings, many, if not, most of them explained
Lots of claims of close encounters
Lots of sightings of lights in the sky
Lots of unbridled speculation by the tinfoil hat brigade

None of it confirmed to be a spacecraft from another star/planet... none, ever!

"We don't know what they are therefore aliens" is only the default position of Greek-Swiss nutjobs with weird hair, not that of rational, clear thinking, intelligent people.

 

[skyeagle409]

The Ministry of Defence didn't cover it up. That's why a UFO fan club went to the forest to measure the radioactivity two years later and didn't find any.

You are now lying continuously.

1) Why did the magic radiation that Halt claimed to have found magically disappear?
2) How was this magic radiation any different to normal background radiation, anyway?
3) Why are the UFO landing indentations exactly the same size and depth as the thousands of other rabbits scrapings in Rendlesham forest?
4) Why did Halt change his account three times?
5) Why did the base CO state Halt was lying?

You’ve got to do better than that. Air traffic controllers have now come forward and verified they lost tracked a UFO over the Rendlesham Forest in the location where Col Halt conducted his investigation after watching the object conduct extraordinary maneuvers. Ever wondered why the MoD kept the incident a secret after all of these years.

The lighthouse and the rabbit scrapings theories were debunked years ago. Ever wondered why lightalls were moved near a road near where Air Force personnel were conducting their investigation in the forest? Where were the lights facing and why. Definitely nothing to do with rabbit scrapings.

What happened on the flight line during the incident and where were flightline military personnel told to report? Just giving a hint on how much you don’t about the Rendlesham incident.

Now, figure it out why the MoD has been withholding documents relating to the Rendlesham incident after all of these years.

 

[skyeagle409]

Bwwwwhahahahaha!!!!

Well, so much for the big cover up aye?

The Rendlesham incident occurred on multiple nights in December 1980 and the MoD has been withholding Rendlesham documents after all of these years. Hmmmm!!

COVER-UP!!

 

[smartcooky]

Air traffic controllers have now come forward and verified they lost tracked a UFO over the Rendlesham Forest in the location where Col Halt conducted his investigation after watching the object conduct extraordinary maneuvers.

Utter poppycock

Who did they report this to? Where is your evidence; the actual reports that these controllers made.... not newspaper articles or anecdotal stories... the actual official papers.

Ever wondered why the MoD kept the incident a secret after all of these years.

No, I never have, because it was never secret. Everyone who was there knew what happened. It was abuzz, we were all talking about it at the time, and having a good laugh. All the story about an official cover up was made up by tin-foil hat wearing nutcases.

The lighthouse and the rabbit scrapings theories were debunked years ago.

Debunked by who... Flying Saucer nuts?

Ever wondered why lightalls were moved near a road near where Air Force personnel were conducting their investigation in the forest? Where were the lights facing and why.

Yes, there was an official investigation when the men first made their reports. Once they figured it was all BS, the investigation closed down because there was nothing to investigate.

Definitely nothing to do with rabbit scrapings.

This is just wrong. The whole forest floor was (and is) covered in rabbit scrapings. tens of thousands of them.

What happened on the flight line during the incident and where were flightline military personnel told to report? Just giving a hint on how much you don’t about the Rendlesham incident.

I know enough to know for a fact that it was not Flying Saucers from an alien planet.

Now, figure it out why the MoD has been withholding documents relating to the Rendlesham incident after all of these years.

Embarrassment. If there was any kind of silence over this incident, it was more than likely to save the USAF the embarrassment of admitting they were conned.

This crap you are posting is just bare-faced lies, which you are making up from whole cloth on the hoof. IMO, you have absolutely NO evidence whatsoever for any of this crap you are posting.

 

[skyeagle409]

What a load of codswallop. Here's my cred's Sky Eagle. Ex Air force Officer assigned to ADC in 1964,1965, 1966, 621st TCS Udorn RTAFB, 1967. I was (take your pick) a weapons director/intercept director/weapons controller. They are pretty much the same thing. First 2 years secret clearence, second two top secret. Our main duty was of course protecting the US from the Commie hordes. What we did on a daily basis was run practice intercepts with fighters in our sector. In Thailand our primary duty was KC 135 tanker hookups with aircraft ingressing and egressing North Viet Nam. Also lots of Laos secret war stuff. Udorn was about 30 clicks from the Mekong.

Just to let you know that I was TDY at Udorn RTAFB and NKP RTAFB in 1968-1969 on the RAM team at Udorn and the on the A-1 MOD team at NKP. I was attached to the 2952nd CLSS, Hill AFB, UT, home of OOAMA which investigated incidents where saucers had shutdown our Minuteman missiles in the field. I was also on the F-4 MOD team at Ubon RTAFB in 1970 and attached to a wreckage recovery team at Utapao. In other words, we handled depot-level repair and modification jobs that local Air Force troops couldn’t. In 1967-68, I was attached to the 35th Tactical Fighter Wing, Phan Rang, Vietnam and upon completion of my tour, was sent to Hill AFB, which once again, was involved in the UFO investigation of Malmstrom AFB, which was reporting flying saucers hovering over the missile fields.

During those four years there was not one mention of a UFO, none, nada, zip. I'm trying to picture FAA controlers alowing a jet fighter running all over the sky at all kinds of altitudes and speeds in and out of traffic lanes for commercial air traffic. 3-5 miles separation is common. If they were low then VFR would work but low and slow traffic aren't on the lookout for Mach 1.6 aircraft. You are looking at a major disaster.

Hmmm! Apparently, you are unaware of FAA/Air Force communication tapes regarding the UFO encounter with an America West airliner in 1995 and other documented UFO encounters in the South. A little research will enlighten you to reality. How about those letters from FAA radar controllers and communication tapes and transcripts between a KC-135 pilot, a Japan airlines aircrew and FAA and Air Force Radar controllers confirming UFO encounters over Alaska? I’ve heard the tapes and read the transcripts.

Just to let you know that ET visitation is a fact and I hope I am the first to convey you that fact.

 

[John Jones]

That won’t work and I very sure that radioactive rabbits with measuring tapes were responsible for the higher radiation readings within the precise triangular arrangement. Don’t follow Ian Ridpath or Tim Printy’s false path to a dead-end street.

BTW, who is Kevin Corde?

What's this 'precise triangle' business you keep saying? Any three points DEFINE a triangle, unless they are in a straight line I suppose. Make three random holes, and connect them with lines. Voila! A triangle!

So what?

ETA: Ninjad by Donn

 

[skyeagle409]

Utter poppycock

Who did they report this to? Where is your evidence; the actual reports that these controllers made.... not newspaper articles or anecdotal stories... the actual official papers.



No, I never have, because it was never secret. Everyone who was there knew what happened. It was abuzz, we were all talking about it at the time, and having a good laugh. All the story about an official cover up was made up by tin-foil hat wearing nutcases.



Debunked by who... Flying Saucer nuts?



Yes, there was an official investigation when the men first made their reports. Once they figured it was all BS, the investigation closed down because there was nothing to investigate.



This is just wrong. The whole forest floor was (and is) covered in rabbit scrapings. tens of thousands of them.



I know enough to know for a fact that it was not Flying Saucers from an alien planet.



Embarrassment. If there was any kind of silence over this incident, it was more than likely to save the USAF the embarrassment of admitting they were conned.

This crap you are posting is just bare-faced lies, which you are making up from whole cloth on the hoof. IMO, you have absolutely NO evidence whatsoever for any of this crap you are posting.

Won’t fly due to lack of reality! Try something else.

 

[skyeagle409]

What's this 'precise triangle' business you keep saying? Any three points DEFINE a triangle, unless they are in a straight line I suppose. Make three random holes, and connect them with lines. Voila! A triangle!

So what?

Let’s just say that I know much more about events that occurred in 1980 and that it was in fact, ET-involved incidents. Now, more former military personnel who were there are confirming the events as reported.

 

[skyeagle409]

You sure put quite a lot of faith and trust in what the US government gives you.

In certain ways I guess you might say. After all, it was the Air Force that supplied me with Project Mogul balloon records that debunked its own 1994 Roswell Report. The records show that there was no Project Mogul balloon flight 4 on June 4, 1947 and that records show that Project Mogul balloons were not classified at all and recovered by civilians for rewards. And, I found documentation that Project Mogul and Skyhook balloon teams were tracking flying saucers, one of whom was Charles Moore, listed as Head of Project Mogul.

What sort of magic, wonder woman lasso compels the government to release documents obtained through the FOIA channels to be truthful/original and not just a rabbit-hole, wild goose chase to keep UFO believers and enthusiasts busy?

No magic at all. Just reality the objects were not of this earth. Over the years, the government has been releasing its declassified UFO files gaging public reaction before full disclosure. Ever wondered why nations around the world have been slowly releasing their declassified UFO files over the years? Ever wondered why the United Nations has been preparing for disclosure? Make no mistake, disclosure will not come soon, but it is coming. The government remembers what happened during the 1938 ‘War of the Worlds’ broadcast and the chilling Brookings Institute warning report to NASA in 1960 regarding full disclosure. Ever wondered why CBS pulled the audio plug on live TV in 1958 as it related to UFOs? Hint: it was done in the interest of national security.

Just to let know the Air Force has already acknowledged the objects in question are, in the Air Force’s own words; “Interplanetary Spaceships.” That can help explain headlines such as these.

Ex-Pilot Tells of 1957 Order to Fire at U.F.O

LONDON - An American fighter pilot flying from an English air base at the height of the cold war was ordered to open fire on a massive unidentified object that had lighted up his radar screen, according to an account published on Monday by Britain’s National Archives.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/files/Shootdown_INS2_82952.gif

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/files/shoot_down_ins_83052.gif

http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/washingtonpost.jpg

And yes, even the U.S. Air Force Academy has confirmed that we have fired on flying saucers. Seeing an object with my own eyes was more than enough to make me a believer and later, a UFO researcher.

Edited by Agatha: 

Edited for rule 5. Do not hotlink unless the originating site expressly allows this.

 

[John Jones]

Let’s just say that I know much more about events that occurred in 1980 and that it was in fact, ET-involved incidents. Now, more former military personnel who were there are confirming the events as reported.

I'm skeptical.

 

[smartcooky]

Won’t fly due to lack of reality! Try something else.

Hahaha! Thats hilarious. You, a person who makes up lies and fantasy stories, accusing me of lacking reality? Priceless!!

Let’s just say that I know much more about events that occurred in 1980 and that it was in fact, ET-involved incidents.

... and your evidence for these little green men is?

Now, more former military personnel who were there are confirming the events as reported.

Well, I am "former military personnel" who knew quite a few of the Americans both at RAF Woodbridge and RAF Bentwaters because I worked with them. They knew what was going on, and it had nothing to do with Flying Saucers or aliens.

Your sheer brazen arrogance is breathtaking... you have not provided a single piece of supporting evidence for your spurious claims. Your lies fool no-one here (except perhaps Bubba), You really should consider scooting off back to one of your Flying Saucer Nutter's forums where your sycophantic tinfoil hat-wearing disciples can hang on your every word... you might as well, because you have zero credibility here.

 

[Disbelief]

Hahaha! Thats hilarious. You, a person who makes up lies and fantasy stories, accusing me of lacking reality? Priceless!!



... and your evidence for these little green men is?



Well, I am "former military personnel" who knew quite a few of the Americans both at RAF Woodbridge and RAF Bentwaters because I worked with them. They knew what was going on, and it had nothing to do with Flying Saucers or aliens.

Your sheer brazen arrogance is breathtaking... you have not provided a single piece of supporting evidence for your spurious claims. Your lies fool no-one here (except perhaps Bubba), You really should consider scooting off back to one of your Flying Saucer Nutter's forums where your sycophantic tinfoil hat-wearing disciples can hang on your every word... you might as well, because you have zero credibility here.

It's very truther like behavior, from someone who is on the 9/11 forum arguing with truthers. As a lurker, he has not convinced me of anything.

 

[fibbermcgee]

It's as if the total lack of evidence is evidence that they exist. It's a cover up after all.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Let’s just say that I know much more...

That approach doesn't appear to be convincing anybody.



The evidence for aliens having reached earth appears to be garbage. Telling us the world's governments have agreed to keep the good stuff secret fails at "have agreed".

 

[smartcooky]

That approach doesn't appear to be convincing anybody.

Arguments from Claimed Authority will only convince the improvident, the weak-minded and the easily-led. Anyone with just a small amount of commonsense will ask for the evidence, and remain unconvinced if it is not forthcoming.

The evidence for aliens having reached earth appears to be garbage.

I should put my cards on the table

I am open to the idea that the Cosmos is burgeoning with life
I am open to the idea that some of that life could be intelligent, advanced technological life.
I am open to the idea that our planet might have been visited by aliens in the past.
I am even open to the idea that alien visitation might be going on right now (although I think it is extremely unlikely for reasons that would be a subject for another thread)

But there is no evidence of it ever having happened, and there is no evidence of it happening now ... none! I would welcome any hard evidence of alien visitation, but the facts are that no such evidence has ever been found. Our inability to explain certain Aerial Phenomena does not automatically default to aliens

Telling us the world's governments have agreed to keep the good stuff secret fails at "have agreed".

100%. They simply would not collude to cover up the existence of alien spacecraft... sorry, ain't gonna happen. Rival nations would be falling over each other to be first to make contact.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

You are now lying continuously.

1) Why did the magic radiation that Halt claimed to have found magically disappear?
2) How was this magic radiation any different to normal background radiation, anyway?
3) Why are the UFO landing indentations exactly the same size and depth as the thousands of other rabbits scrapings in Rendlesham forest?
4) Why did Halt change his account three times?
5) Why did the base CO state Halt was lying?

You’ve got to do better than that.

You haven't answered one question, each of which debunks your silly UFO story.

Air traffic controllers have now come forward and verified .........

Again, you make up a story and fail to provide any link or citation. You are lying again.

Ever wondered why the MoD kept the incident a secret after all of these years.

It didn't. I linked you to the 1992 public report above. You are lying again.

the rabbit scrapings theories were debunked years ago.

You are lying again. Link us to any such debunk. You cant explain why there are thousand of the same rabbit holes in the forest of the same depth and size as your "landing indentations"

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I might add that military radar controllers have now confirmed they tracked the UFO over the area.

No citation or link. Try harder next time.

Just to let you know that video would have not been released without higher approval from the Pentagon

The DOD sates they did not release any UFO video and you can't find anything that says they did. Try harder next time.

JI know how to gather such information

It's obvious that you don't know how to find anything and just make up stories on the spot.

I wouldn’t use Ian Ridpath as a reference. He has been debunked time and time again.

Ian Ridpath has never been debunked. Again, you made that up and failed to provide any citation or link. Try harder next time.

The Soviet Union has had its share of UFO incidents and they have confirmed that UFOs have interfered with U.S. missiles as well,

Again, you made that story up on the spot and failed to provide one citation or link. Try harder next time.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

The three blokes in the hotel room

This will make everyone laugh. The New York Times admits it only met civilians in a hotel room, none of who worked for the government. Lets us look at what they were actually doing at the time.

Harold Puthoff did not work for the CIA. Instead he was a Scientologist and destroyed by James Randi for stating Uri Geller has remote viewing skills at Stanford University, when in fact the CIA closed "Stargate" as a complete failure. Harold Puthoff was running his UFO chasing business, using remote viewing, Earth Tech International and seeking donations until this business failed.

Chris Mellon is actually a director of the private UFO chasing company, UFO DATA and not a government employee at all. He was also seeking donation to chase UFOs.
http://www.ufodata.net/

Tom Delonge is actually the ex-guitarist for Blink 182 and wrote a song.
"Aliens Exist" (He wasn't in the meeting)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEHyLh3jOpc

Luis Elizondo, Tom Delonge, Chris Mellon and Harold Puthoff have now joined forces to seek donations to chase UFO through their new new new scam company. On to the Stars Academy Ltd.
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/

They have now raised 2.2 million USD, which they can now pay themselves as directors.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I very sure that radioactive rabbits with measuring tapes were responsible for the higher radiation readings within the precise triangular arrangement.

Why do you lie so much? A policeman, PC Brian Cresswell, went to the landing scene and wrote down

"“There were three marks in the area which did not follow a set pattern. The impression made by these marks were of no depth and could have been made by an animal.”
https://drdavidclarke.co.uk/secret-files/secret-files-4/

And this......
"Forester Vince Thurkettle – who lived in the forest at the time of the incident – also visited the landing site about six weeks later after hearing rumours about a UFO landing. He too was left unimpressed by what he saw. Thurkettle said the three depressions found by the USAF airmen in the clearing resembled holes produced by burrowing animals.