Merged Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program UFO'S

[Matthew Ellard]

Yes it mentions it. Look closely at the video. It says: "Courtesy of U.S. Department of Defense"

No. That video is not "courtesy" of the Department of Defence. It is a video supplied by Harold Puthoff who was in the room with Luis Elizondo. Harold Puthoff has already been running his private UFO chasing company Earth Tech International since 1985. Skeptics already know Harold Puthoff as Yuri Geller's promoter.

All that is happening is that the people in the room, none of whom are employed by any government or any defence organisation, are raising money for their new UFO chasing company To the Stars Academy.

https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/

There is no Dod press release, released video or anything else. Luis Elizondo does not work for the Department of Defense, nor is he their spokesperson. These people are trying to raise money.

 

[Fudbucker]

No. That video is not "courtesy" of the Department of Defence. It is a video supplied by Harold Puthoff who was in the room with Luis Elizondo. Harold Puthoff has already been running his private UFO chasing company Earth Tech International since 1985. Skeptics already know Harold Puthoff as Yuri Geller's promoter.

All that is happening is that the people in the room, none of whom are employed by any government or any defence organisation, are raising money for their new UFO chasing company To the Stars Academy.

https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/

There is no Dod press release, released video or anything else. Luis Elizondo does not work for the Department of Defense, nor is he their spokesperson. These people are trying to raise money.

So your claim is the NYTimes is lying. It seems hard to believe there's an honest mistake involved here. So who to believe, the DoD, or the Times? Did you live through the Pentagon Papers?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

So your claim is the NYTimes is lying.

No. At no point does the New York Times say they met with, received, or saw any press release, from the Department of Defence. The New York Times clearly states their journalist met with private citizens in a hotel room. One of those blokes was Harold Puthoff, who previously promoted Uru Gellar and was already a director of a UFO chasing company called Earth Tech International.

So who to believe, the DoD, or the Times?

You would believe the DoD who has clearly stated Luis Elizondo does not speak on their behalf and that they never released any video to the public.

 

[Fudbucker]

No. At no point does the New York Times say they met with, received, or saw any press release, from the Department of Defence.

I don't think they put "Courtesy of U.S. Department of Defense" to be cute. Why do you think they wrote that?

The New York Times clearly states their journalist met with private citizens in a hotel room. One of those blokes was Harold Puthoff, who previously promoted Uru Gellar and was already a director of a UFO chasing company called Earth Tech International.

You would believe the DoD who has clearly stated Luis Elizondo does not speak on their behalf and that they never released any video to the public.

My money's on the Times rather than the DoD.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I don't think they put "Courtesy of U.S. Department of Defense" to be cute. Why do you think they wrote that?...

My guess would be that's what the people who gave them the video told them about its provenance. My guess would go further and suggest that wasn't true.



While I'm unburdening myself, I might as well add that I think the weird artefact frozen in the middle of the display for most of the video is fakery and won't be on the original.

 

[Fudbucker]

My guess would be that's what the people who gave them the video told them about its provenance. My guess would go further and suggest that wasn't true.

That's possible, but the Times is going out on a limb taking them at their word. The reporting they did on these articles seems pretty thorough.

While I'm unburdening myself, I might as well add that I think the weird artefact frozen in the middle of the display for most of the video is fakery and won't be on the original.

And if it's not?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I don't think they put "Courtesy of U.S. Department of Defense" to be cute. Why do you think they wrote that?

Because there is no official DoD press release, of letter, or statement or anything else that comes from the DoD stating the DoD had released the video. .......so they wrote it themselves.

Harold Puthoff has done this before when he claimed to release CIA documents on Uri Geller's remote viewing. These people have form.

My money's on the Times rather than the DoD.

Well you have a rather large problem. The DoD hasn't actually made any press release of any sort concerning the UFO video. It has been seven days and not one UFO fan has found anything from the DoD related to the video.

How about, you drop the claim that the "DoD officially released the video" until you can find a DoD document that says they did. It is simply three private citizens setting up another UFO chasing company that made the claim. It appears that Harold Puthoff previous UFO chasing company Earth Tech International has collapsed.

US Department of Defense / News & Press Page
https://www.defense.gov/News/Archive/

 

[smartcooky]

Because there is no official DoD press release, of letter, or statement or anything else that comes from the DoD stating the DoD had released the video. .......so they wrote it themselves.

Harold Puthoff has done this before when he claimed to release CIA documents on Uri Geller's remote viewing. These people have form.

Well you have a rather large problem. The DoD hasn't actually made any press release of any sort concerning the UFO video. It has been seven days and not one UFO fan has found anything from the DoD related to the video.

How about, you drop the claim that the "DoD officially released the video" until you can find a DoD document that says they did. It is simply three private citizens setting up another UFO chasing company that made the claim. It appears that Harold Puthoff previous UFO chasing company Earth Tech International has collapsed.

US Department of Defense / News & Press Page
https://www.defense.gov/News/Archive/

Absolutely 100% agree with this. There is NO DOD press release regarding this video, in fact there is not a single word regarding this video of any kind from the DOD.

Those who released the video are no more than mercenary scumbags out to set up yet another UFO chasing organisation to dupe dimwitted Flying Saucer nutjobs and froot-loops out of their hard-earned cash. Its not the first time some of those involved have done this.

 

[skyeagle409]

Because there is no official DoD press release, of letter, or statement or anything else that comes from the DoD stating the DoD had released the video. .......so they wrote it themselves.

Harold Puthoff has done this before when he claimed to release CIA documents on Uri Geller's remote viewing. These people have form.

Well you have a rather large problem. The DoD hasn't actually made any press release of any sort concerning the UFO video. It has been seven days and not one UFO fan has found anything from the DoD related to the video.

How about, you drop the claim that the "DoD officially released the video" until you can find a DoD document that says they did. It is simply three private citizens setting up another UFO chasing company that made the claim. It appears that Harold Puthoff previous UFO chasing company Earth Tech International has collapsed.

US Department of Defense / News & Press Page
https://www.defense.gov/News/Archive/

Just to let you know, there are many things that you cannot find on the D0D website and I know that as a fact. However, let's head on over to Nevada and take a look at the Nellis UFO videos, which were released because as much as I find the Navy's UFO video interesting, I think the Air Force got it beat with its Nellis UFO videos and performance data on the object which was confirmed as a flying craft.


Nellis UFO Video on the Hard Copy Program

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XtUyzZxOYo


Nellis UFO Videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L4CBIeNFY0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9WlCpMnlZM


Nellis UFO Video, Speed and Altitude Data

http://www.roswellproof.com/Nellis_Image_size.gif

http://www.roswellproof.com/Nellis_ground_traj_speed.gif

http://www.roswellproof.com/Nellis_Alt_Dist.gif

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Just to let you know, there are many things that you cannot find on the D0D website.

That's why the Department of Defense has, what we call a "press officer" and a "media centre". Indeed, guess what service they offer?

" The Department of Defense responds to media requests and queries through our Press Operations Center located in the Pentagon.

This link is intended for requests from the media that do not require a response prior to the next business day. Media with queries during our normal business hours should call (703) 697-5131.

The Press Desk Hours of Operation are 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday - Friday (Eastern Time Zone)
https://www.defense.gov/Resources/Contact-DoD/Media-Queries/

Now don't you think it is rather entertaining, that the greatest UFO researchers in the world are magically unable to ring the DoD's press centre to ask if they released the video?

 

[smartcooky]

Just to let you know, there are many things that you cannot find on the D0D website and I know that as a fact.

Argument from Authority.. your claim is unevidenced.

 

[Fudbucker]

Absolutely 100% agree with this. There is NO DOD press release regarding this video, in fact there is not a single word regarding this video of any kind from the DOD.

Those who released the video are no more than mercenary scumbags out to set up yet another UFO chasing organisation to dupe dimwitted Flying Saucer nutjobs and froot-loops out of their hard-earned cash. Its not the first time some of those involved have done this.

We injected plutonium into people and deliberately withheld syphilis cures. Agent Orange, depleted uranium slugs...Who knows what else has gone on we don't know about. I wouldn't put anything past our military.

 

[skyeagle409]

No, we can't, at least not based on your links and cites.

As I have mentioned from time to time, use the FOIA to gather declassified UFO documents of the U.S. government if you are not satisfied with certain links including links to the National Security Agency. Case in point:

UFOs at Defense Sites told in CIA Documents

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BAsUb7crR...yY/s1600/ufos+cia+missile+sites+headlines.jpg

You should have notice a mention of one of the Iranian UFO encounter, which documents can be additionally obtained from the National Security Agency, Department of Defense, Defense Intelligence Agency and even from the Department of State under the FOIA.

If you don't like references from the Internet, then use the FOIA in order to have official declassified government UFO documents sent to your own home.

BTW, you will see a brief mention of the Cuban UFO encounter by two Cuban Mig-21's, which to me was one of the most chilling UFO encounters in recent history.

The 1967 Cuban Jet Incident

An amazing development surrounding a decade-old report re-emphasized the strong national security nature of the UFO phenomenon. This report is the 1967 Cuban jet incident.

The 6947th Security Squadron's mission was to monitor all Cuban Air Force communications and radar transmissions. One hundred of the squadron's men were assigned to Detachment "A," located at Key West Naval Air Station. This forward base against attack from Cuba was on Boca Chica Key, a tropical island in the Florida Keys, east of Key West and about 97 miles from the nearest Cuban coastline. Several of these units were scattered geographically to enable direction-finding equipment to locate fixed or mobile land-based radar sites and communications centers and to plot aircraft movements from flight transmissions.

One day in March, 1967, the Spanish-speaking intercept operators of Detachment "A" heard Cuban air defense radar controllers report an unidentified "bogey" approaching Cuba from the northeast. The UFO entered Cuban air space at a height of about 10,000 meters (about 33,000 feet) and sped off at nearly Mach 1 (nearly 660 mph). Two MIG-21 jet fighters were scrambled to meet it.

The jets were guided to within five kilometers (three miles) of the UFO by Cuban ground control intercept radar personnel. The flight leader radioed that the object was a bright metallic sphere with no visible markings or appendages. When a try at radio contact failed, Cuban air defense headquarters ordered the flight leader to arm his weapons and destroy the object.

The leader reported his radar was locked onto the bogey and his missiles were armed. Seconds later, the wingman screamed to the ground controller that his leader's jet had exploded. When he gained his composure, the wing man radioed there was no smoke or flame, that his leader's MIG-21 had disintegrated. Cuban radar then reported the UFO quickly accelerated and climbed above 30,000 meters (98,000 feet). At last report, it was heading south-southeast towards South America.

An Intelligence Spot Report was sent to NSA headquarters, since AFSS and its units are under NSA operational control. Such reports are standard practice in cases of aircraft losses by hostile nations. NSA is required to acknowledge receipt of such reports. But the 6947th's Detachment "A" did not get one; so it sent a follow-up report.

And, that wasn't the only time that pilots were lost intercepting UFOs.

 

[skyeagle409]

That's why the Department of Defense has, what we call a "press officer" and a "media centre". Indeed, guess what service they offer?

" The Department of Defense responds to media requests and queries through our Press Operations Center located in the Pentagon.

This link is intended for requests from the media that do not require a response prior to the next business day. Media with queries during our normal business hours should call (703) 697-5131.

The Press Desk Hours of Operation are 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday - Friday (Eastern Time Zone)
https://www.defense.gov/Resources/Contact-DoD/Media-Queries/

Now don't you think it is rather entertaining, that the greatest UFO researchers in the world are magically unable to ring the DoD's press centre to ask if they released the video?

Just to let you know that video would have not been released without higher approval from the Pentagon. It is not like the pilot can put a video tape in his pocket and walk into any media office and release the video on his own because that is not how the system works.

Once again, make a request under the FOIA and you will find that such UFO encounters are very common, not just over the United States, but around the world and yet, you don't read about the thousands of such encounters in newspapers or from the news media. What can you tell me about the 1995 America West UFO encounter? Did you know that ATC and military communication tapes regarding that UFO encounter are available?

 

[smartcooky]

Just to let you know that video would have not been released without higher approval from the Pentagon. It is not like the pilot can put a video tape in his pocket and walk into any media office and release the video on his own because that is not how the system works.

Elizondo had access, he claims

 

[skyeagle409]

Elizondo had access, he claims

As long as there is approval, there is no problem. After all, my security agreement spells what what would happen to me if I took an unauthorized government video to the press or anyone else. I know how to gather such information, not just under the FOIA, but from government agencies legally. After all, it was the Air Force that supplied me with documentation on Project Mogul that debunked its own 1994 Roswell Report. In fact, the Air Force never mentioned in its 1994 Roswell Report that Project Mogul balloon scientist were tracking flying saucers over New Mexico and in one case, observing UFOs hovering 200 miles above earth. That information came from the balloon teams themselves.

You would be surprised at what you can find when you become a real UFO researcher who knows how to obtain declassified government UFO reports and declassified UFO documents that prove we are being visited. The Navy's UFO footage was previously "classified." Releasing classified information can spell prison time. After all, there are valid reasons why certain videos and documents are classified in the first place.

 

[skyeagle409]

Of course the government secretly investigates such reports, it's their job. There may be something they need to know about up there (much more probably the products of other countries than other planets, but the latter possibility should certainly be considered). This is not the first time there has been a dedicated programme to do so, nor is it the first time said programme has been wound up after a few years.

There is nothing new here. There have been reports of UFOs and mysterious materials with amazing properties for decades. Nothing has ever come of them, and all indications are that nothing will come of the current ones. If it ever does, great; like lionking I would be delighted. But I'm not getting my hopes up.

I find this letter interesting.

The Halt Memo

http://www.therendleshamforestincident.com/images/10a8d629a5dbdb390ccc5dcf8901cb26.jpg


Transcription of Colonel Halt's Memo

Department of the Air Force

Reply to atin. of: CD
Subject: Unexplained Lights (13 Jan 81)
To: RAF/CC

1. Early in the morning of 27 Dec 80 (approximately 0300L) two USAF security police patrolmen saw unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge. Thinking an aircraft might have crashed or been forced down, they called for permission to go outside the gate to investigate. The individuals reported seeing a strange glowing object in the forest. The object was described as being metallic in appearance and triangular in shape, approximately two to three meters across the base and approximately two meters high. It illuminated the entire forest with a white light. The object itself had a pulsing red light on top and a bank(s) of blue lights underneath. The object was hovering or on legs. As the patrolmen approached the object it maneuvered through the trees and disappeared. At this time the animals on a nearby farm went into a frenzy. The object was briefly sighted approximately an hour later near the back gate.

2. The next day, three depressions 1 1/2″ deep and 7″ in diameter were found where the object had been sighted on the ground. The following night (29 Dec 80) the area was checked for radiation. Beta/Gamma readings of 0.1 milliroentgens were recorded with peak readings in the three depressions and near the center of the triangle formed by the three depressions. A nearby tree had moderate (0.05 – 0.07) readings on the side of the tree facing towards the three depressions.

3. Later in the night a red sun-like object was seen through the trees. It moved about and pulsed. At one point it appeared to throw off glowing particles and then broke into five separate white objects and disappeared. Immediately thereafter, three star like objects were noticed in the sky, two objects to the north and one to the south, all of which were about 10 degrees off of the horizon. The objects moved rapidly in sharp, angular movements and displayed red, green and blue lights. The objects to the north appeared to be elliptical through 8-10 power lens. They then turned to full circles. The objects in the north remained in the sky for an hour or more. The object to the south was visible for two to three hours and beamed down a stream of light from time to time. Numerous individuals, including the undersigned, witnessed the activities in paragraphs 2 and 3.

Charles Halt
Charles I. Halt. Lt Col, USAF
Deputy Base Commander

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I like how it's possible to disparage the DOD as untrustworthy while supplying a steady stream of DOD data.

 

[smartcooky]

I find this letter interesting.

Ah yes, the Rendlesham Forest incident.. I remember it well, I was stationed at RAF Lakeheath at that same time (about 40 miles away further inland) .

Scuttlebutt was that what the lads saw was the Orfordness lighthouse. They made the whole UFO story up...things got out of hand quickly and they found themselves unable to retract, so they did the only think they could... double down on the hoax.

There is a pretty good analysis here

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4135

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Just to let you know that video would have not been released without higher approval from the Pentagon.

No. You are making these stories up on the spot. The video comes from Luis Elizondo who is trying to raise money for his UFO chasing club. The Pentagon has nothing to do with the video.

It is not like the pilot can put a video tape in his pocket and walk into any media office

That would be a real video. It seems to have escaped your attention that the Luis Elizondo only has his edited version and not a full duration recording.

Once again, make a request under the FOIA and you........

You can do what you want. However I saw this fundraising scam before, when Harold Puthoff raised money for Earth Tech International, which also chased UFOs. Puthoff is doing it again with To the Stars Academy.

Are you going to buy shares in To the Stars Academy? You claim the USA is about to say UFOs are real......now's your big chance to get really really rich.
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/