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Merged Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program UFO'S

skyeagle409:
Just to continue.
In this thread, the shredding of your Belgian UFO story continued. I have also linked to the post in which your Minuteman story was shot down (pun intended) by smartcooky, who pointed out the these missiles were not deployed in Vietnam.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11920213#post11920213

Once again, you abandoned the thread after it was shown that your sources did not say what you claimed they did, and that your stories were in no way proof of, or even evidence for, alien visitations to earth.
You return a few months later and try to bluff me into believing that what I remembered had not actually happened, which was an act of rather over-optimistic bravado. Did you really think that I wouldn't follow this up?
 
The reporters don't have to be experts on FLIR and heads up displays , they do, however, need to run the video and any additional information by a third party expert in order to invalidate or validate the claims.

It would be surprisingly sloppy for Times team to not critically evaluate the video especially given that ( per the NYT podcast) they did a lot of work to verify the existence of the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program and Elizondo's position.
 
skyeagle409 said:
Apparently, you are incorrect. Check it out.
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No. The video was not officially released by the Department of Defence or any other government department. You have been asked numerous times to show us this "government" press release for the video and you keep failing to do so.

The video is from Luis Elizondo, who with Tom Delonge (Blink 182) is attempting to raise money for a UFO chasing academy, and fashion clothes line, called To the Stars Academy .

Here is their clothing range, :D
https://tothestars.media/collections/apparel
 
Matthew Ellard said:
No. The video was not officially released by the Department of Defence or any other government department. You have been asked numerous times to show us this "government" press release for the video and you keep failing to do so.

The video is from Luis Elizondo, who with Tom Delonge (Blink 182) is attempting to raise money for a UFO chasing academy, and fashion clothes line, called To the Stars Academy .

Here is their clothing range, :D
https://tothestars.media/collections/apparel
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NYTimes is standing by their claim that that video was released by the DoD.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/insider/secret-pentagon-ufo-program.html
 
Fudbucker said:
NYTimes is standing by their claim that that video was released by the DoD.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/insider/secret-pentagon-ufo-program.html
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The article you linked doesn't mention the video at all.

Nor does it mention any official Department of Defence press release or disclosure at all. Who physically handed the video to the NYT. The Pentagon press department or a former employee who was setting up a UFO chasing company? :D

"At a confidential meeting Oct. 4 in a Pentagon City hotel with several present and former intelligence officials and a defense contractor, she met Luis Elizondo, the director of a Pentagon program she had never heard of: the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program..........Leslie also learned that Mr. Elizondo had just resigned to protest what he characterized as excessive secrecy and internal opposition — the reason for the meeting.."

"A few days later Mr. Elizondo and others there — including Harold E. Puthoff, an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception for the C.I.A. and later worked as a contractor on the program, and Christopher K. Mellon, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence — announced they were joining a new commercial venture, To the Stars Academy"

We have met Harold Puthoff before, promoting Yuri Gellar as a real psychic. Mr Puthof was a director of EarthTech International, Inc (UFO chasing) and now To the Stars Limited (UFO chasing).
 
So it was true, the whole time. The sceptics were wrong, the whole time. What else are they wrong about?
 
Sorry, what was true the whole time that sceptics were wrong about? :confused:

The only new information here is that there was an official investigation into UFO reports in the US about ten years ago. The fact that it was wound up after only 5 years tells us that it found exactly what sceptics would have predicted, i.e. zilch.
 
Maartenn100 said:
So it was true, the whole time. The sceptics were wrong, the whole time. What else are they wrong about?
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Hate to break this to you Maarten, but skeptics like me would be overcome with joy if extraterrestrials were proven to be true.

I'm just waiting for proof and not the bilge so far put forward.
 
“They have some material from these objects that is being studied, so that scientists can try to figure out what accounts for their amazing properties,” Ralf Blumenthal, one of the authors of the New York Times report, told MSNBC.

Mr Blumenthal said the DoD ((The US Department of Defence) “do not know” what the materials are made of.

unidentified Metal from ufo's stored in Las Vegas.
 
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I'll wait for the peer reviewed papers describing these "amazing properties" and explaining why the material must be extra-terrestrial before jumping to any conclusions.
 
You rely to much on official scientific reports, while the governement had a secret UFO program with its own scientist on top of it. The scientific community knew nothing about it. The governement kept the investigation of the materials secret and they have their own military scientists to do the research. No scientist of the scientific community knew about it. So, don't be naive and don't think they are going to report it to official peer reviewed journals.
 
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Of course the government secretly investigates such reports, it's their job. There may be something they need to know about up there (much more probably the products of other countries than other planets, but the latter possibility should certainly be considered). This is not the first time there has been a dedicated programme to do so, nor is it the first time said programme has been wound up after a few years.

There is nothing new here. There have been reports of UFOs and mysterious materials with amazing properties for decades. Nothing has ever come of them, and all indications are that nothing will come of the current ones. If it ever does, great; like lionking I would be delighted. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
 
Maartenn100 said:
You rely to much on official scientific reports, while the governement had a secret UFO program with its own scientist on top of it. The scientific community knew nothing about it. The governement kept the investigation of the materials secret and they have their own military scientists to do the research. No scientist of the scientific community knew about it. So, don't be naive and don't think they are going to report it to official peer reviewed journals.
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I've highlighted the flaw in your reasoning.
 
Pixel42 said:
Of course the government secretly investigates such reports, it's their job. There may be something they need to know about up there (much more probably the products of other countries than other planets, but the latter possibility should certainly be considered). This is not the first time there has been a dedicated programme to do so, nor is it the first time said programme has been wound up after a few years.

There is nothing new here. There have been reports of UFOs and mysterious materials with amazing properties for decades. Nothing has ever come of them, and all indications are that nothing will come of the current ones. If it ever does, great; like lionking I would be delighted. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Actually since human recorded history. It's only what they are claimed to be changes - spirits > gods> angels > aliens.
 
skyeagle409 said:
We can definitely state that the objects are flying vehicles exhibiting advanced technology unknown to mankind and with that, we can rule out mankind as owners of those flying objects. That is why the Air Force stated in 1948 that the objects in question are, in the Air Force's own words, "Interplanetary Spaceships." That was reconfirmed in the Air Force's 1952 intelligence report. In some cases, the objects were tagged as Unauthorized Flying Objects (IFO) as in the case of the flying saucer in the Coyote Canyon landing where the object knocked out radar systems in New Mexico and the interference was traced to the area of Coyote Canyon where security personnel saw the IFO land. Here is something else that people were unaware of.



So what we have is the U. S. military confirming the objects are 'Interplanetary Spaceships', which coincides with the U.S. Army's 'Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU). The U.S. Army later confirmed the existence of the IPU due to a request under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The U.S. Air Force now has custody of the IPU's files.

When the Air Force says that it was a weather balloon, how many people believes the Air Force's explanation? Let's take a look here.


How the Air Force covers up UFO encounters.

http://www.lynceans.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Figure-2-from-How-to-Make-a-FLYOBRPT-1024x845.png


Speaking of weather balloons;




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No, we can't, at least not based on your links and cites.
What you have presented is an uncritical rehash of hearsay and unsupported assertions.
Some background:
http://www.astronomyufo.com/UFO/Exon.htm

https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ufo-government10.htm
 
Matthew Ellard said:
The article you linked doesn't mention the video at all.

Nor does it mention any official Department of Defence press release or disclosure at all. Who physically handed the video to the NYT. The Pentagon press department or a former employee who was setting up a UFO chasing company? :D

"At a confidential meeting Oct. 4 in a Pentagon City hotel with several present and former intelligence officials and a defense contractor, she met Luis Elizondo, the director of a Pentagon program she had never heard of: the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program..........Leslie also learned that Mr. Elizondo had just resigned to protest what he characterized as excessive secrecy and internal opposition — the reason for the meeting.."

"A few days later Mr. Elizondo and others there — including Harold E. Puthoff, an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception for the C.I.A. and later worked as a contractor on the program, and Christopher K. Mellon, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence — announced they were joining a new commercial venture, To the Stars Academy"

We have met Harold Puthoff before, promoting Yuri Gellar as a real psychic. Mr Puthof was a director of EarthTech International, Inc (UFO chasing) and now To the Stars Limited (UFO chasing).
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Yes it mentions it. Look closely at the video. It says: "Courtesy of U.S. Department of Defense"
 
I'm confused, it seems like half of the people here and even most other sources use the word UFO as 'extraterrestrials'. Please use the word correctly. UFOs do exist. This new report is unmistakably an UFO. There is not much reason to think it's of ET origin though.
 
Last week, following widespread media coverage for a couple of weeks prior, SpaceX launched a rocket that left thousands (millions?) of Americans wondering if ET/Jesus was finally returning. My own wife and son even got caught up in this:

"Did you see that thing on Facebook? What WAS it?!"
"SpaceX. They launched a rocket. You guys didn't know that?"
"Space sex?"
"No, Space X. You know, Elon Musk?"
"I know about Elon Musk but I never heard of space sex."

Moral - Try as you might, there are an awful lot of ignorant people out there, even in the homes of active skeptics. It is, therefore, really easy for mundane events to get whipped up into a faulty narrative.
 
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