Adolf Hitler wins election

[PhantomWolf]

I would never leave myself such a hostage to fortune. There are all kinds of politicians who turn out to be bad and whom we may regret voting for, but if you vote for someone called Adolf Hitler and then they turn out to be a racist, or a war monger or some other disreputable behaviour it will just sound silly saying, "I thought this Adolf Hitler would be different!"

Seriously, this makes zero sense, you are literally judging a person based on their name. Should we ban all Donald Trumps and Saddam Husseins from being involved in politics as well? I am quite sure that there are plenty of ways to determine if this Adolf is a racist war-mongering nazi, or not rather than just looking at his name.

 

[dudalb]

"Springtime for Hitler and Germany;
Goosestep the new step today
We;re marching to a faster pace
Look out here comes the Master Race".

That should have been his campaign song.

 

[angrysoba]

Seriously, this makes zero sense, you are literally judging a person based on their name. Should we ban all Donald Trumps and Saddam Husseins from being involved in politics as well? I am quite sure that there are plenty of ways to determine if this Adolf is a racist war-mongering nazi, or not rather than just looking at his name.

Yes, I am.

I think we would be perfectly entitled to be suspicious at the least of someone whose father decided to name his son after one of the biggest mass murderers in history.

 

[Planigale]

Is it white privilege when Anglophones sum up African politics as "haha look at his funny name!"? Or is it just colonialism?

Or cultural appropriation?

 

[PhantomWolf]

Yes, I am.

I think we would be perfectly entitled to be suspicious at the least of someone whose father decided to name his son after one of the biggest mass murderers in history.

So you are now judging a person based on their parent's actions too.

Why should we be suspicious? Why not just look at the man himself and judge him on his own actions rather than his name or the acts of his parents?

 

[angrysoba]

So you are now judging a person based on their parent's actions too.

Why should we be suspicious? Why not just look at the man himself and judge him on his own actions rather than his name or the acts of his parents?

Yep! Upbringing is important.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Yep! Upbringing is important.

And no-one can possibly act against their up bringing, hence by your logic, everyone should be judged by their parent's actions and never their own.

 

[angrysoba]

And no-one can possibly act against their up bringing, hence by your logic, everyone should be judged by their parent's actions and never their own.

Wow! The straw is strong in this one.

Nope, I never said no one can ever act against their upbringing.

I also said that everyone should be judged by their parents' actions and never their own (holy crap!)

I said upbringing is important.

If someone was raised by people who call their son Adolf Hitler, it suggests something about the child's upbringing. Would you want to hang around a family who name their children after Nazi leaders?

No, but that's unfair because we are talking about the children themselves, not the parents. Well, okay then, so they grow up and discover that Adolf Hitler was this guy who is so reviled that he killed 6 million Jews, and he changes his name.

Except he doesn't because either:
a) it's not a deal-breaker for him
OR
b) he is too ignorant to know who Adolf Hitler was.

Oh, but please vote for him. Obviously a solid choice for elected office.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Wow! The straw is strong in this one.

Nope, I never said no one can ever act against their upbringing.

I also said that everyone should be judged by their parents' actions and never their own (holy crap!)

I said upbringing is important.

If someone was raised by people who call their son Adolf Hitler, it suggests something about the child's upbringing. Would you want to hang around a family who name their children after Nazi leaders?

No, but that's unfair because we are talking about the children themselves, not the parents. Well, okay then, so they grow up and discover that Adolf Hitler was this guy who is so reviled that he killed 6 million Jews, and he changes his name.

Except he doesn't because either:
a) it's not a deal-breaker for him
OR
b) he is too ignorant to know who Adolf Hitler was.

Oh, but please vote for him. Obviously a solid choice for elected office.

Or perhaps his father simply named him after a German leader being that the country was once a German colony without knowing that leader's legacy, and by the time his son found out he had had the name long enough that he didn't want to change it, kinda like the article actually says.

In an interview with German newspaper Bild, he insisted he had "nothing to do" with Nazi ideology.

Adolf, like other Germanic first names, is not uncommon in the country, which was once a German colony.

Mr Uunona admitted that his father had named him after the Nazi leader, but said "he probably didn't understand what Adolf Hitler stood for".

"As a child I saw it as a totally normal name," said Mr Uunona

"It wasn't until I was growing up that I realised: This man wanted to subjugate the whole world," he said, adding. "I have nothing to do with any of these things."

Mr Uunona said his wife calls him Adolf and he goes by the name in public, and has no plans to change it

Since you claim that we should be suspicious of this guy because his middle name is Hitler, then surely by the same logic we should have been suspicious of Obama having the middle name of Hussien, right?

 

[Timur]

This thread is interesting. Leaving aside the toxic name (he didn't ask for it, so I can't blame him, but I wonder if the name recognition factor might trump his misgivings about what it represents), the fact that there are Africans named Jonathan, Susan - or Mohammed, Fatima - are all indicative of types of colonialism. But having met many Africans, who have a mixed relationship with such legacy, I prefer not to judge, if they choose to keep their names in favor of one pre-Christian or pre-Muslim. Africans often enjoy the linkages this identity implies, to the wider Christian, Muslim - or even Jewish worlds. I do wonder how this jibes with, for example, the increasing Chinese presence in Africa, not always well-received. That said, Ethiopia (and previously Egypt) has been Christian for most of the past 2 millenia, well before most of Europe became Christianized.

 

[RolandRat]

then surely by the same logic we should have been suspicious of Obama having the middle name of Hussien, right?

Yes, yes we should. That tan suit was proper suspicious.

 

[cosmicaug]

Seriously, this makes zero sense, you are literally judging a person based on their name. Should we ban all Donald Trumps and Saddam Husseins from being involved in politics as well? I am quite sure that there are plenty of ways to determine if this Adolf is a racist war-mongering nazi, or not rather than just looking at his name.

I don't even know what the middle name is of the current IMPOTUS (middle initial 'J'). It seems other president's middle names were sometimes well known & sometimes not but they were usually not routinely used. However, I remember that when Obama was president you would hear every other right winger refer to him as Barak Hussein by default. I think they were attempting to associate him with Saddam Hussein and also with Islam (not that Saddam Hussein himself was even a devout Muslim —even if he demagogued piety with the best of them, when he had to— but, you know, furriner Muslim name and all...).

 

[angrysoba]

Or perhaps his father simply named him after a German leader being that the country was once a German colony without knowing that leader's legacy,

Yeah, perhaps, being one of the more obscure German leaders, who would know? I mean, Namibia was only a German colony hence obviously it is a common name, but somehow by the same logic it is unknown to most people. Oooookay. You can believe that if you want. I think I'll take his explanation with a grain of salt.

Did this guy never ask his dad why he was called Adolf Hitler?

and by the time his son found out he had had the name long enough that he didn't want to change it, kinda like the article actually says.

That goes to my point I made earlier that he seems rather ignorant for someone asking to be taken seriously as a politician. Not saying it can't be true, but again it is not a vote of confidence for him.

Since you claim that we should be suspicious of this guy because his middle name is Hitler, then surely by the same logic we should have been suspicious of Obama having the middle name of Hussien, right?

No, because it isn't the same logic at all. If Barack Obama's father had decided to name his child after Saddam Hussein, in order for a bit of prestige, and his son went around with the name Saddam Hussein Obama, and pointed out that he had no idea who Saddam Hussein was, even though he had been named after him, well, then I really suspect Saddam Hussein Obama would indeed have never become president either because he may have changed his name to avoid being named after a mass murderer, or by not doing so and pleading ignorance, he would pretty much be disqualifying himself.

Of course, he was not named after Saddam Hussein, so the logic is not the same and it looks like a very desperate Hail Mary pass from you.

Anyway, you now failed with your strawman argument of how you said I claimed upbringing is all, and now you have failed with your Saddam Hussein Obama gambit. Wanna try for strike three or are you going to stop swinging now?

 

[ahhell]

I'm often amazed at how little significance Hitler and the Nazi's have outside of the West and Russia. Anyone remember the headlines about the Nazi themed wedding in China or the occasional Nazi themed restaurant. Spend some time in Asia and your bound to see some swastika's worn on modern clothing and what not.

 

[dudalb]

Or perhaps his father simply named him after a German leader being that the country was once a German colony without knowing that leader's legacy, and by the time his son found out he had had the name long enough that he didn't want to change it, kinda like the article actually says.



Since you claim that we should be suspicious of this guy because his middle name is Hitler, then surely by the same logic we should have been suspicious of Obama having the middle name of Hussien, right?

This is silly. What the hell are we supposed to think if somebody names his kid after Adolf Hitler?

 

[lomiller]

I'm often amazed at how little significance Hitler and the Nazi's have outside of the West and Russia. Anyone remember the headlines about the Nazi themed wedding in China or the occasional Nazi themed restaurant. Spend some time in Asia and your bound to see some swastika's worn on modern clothing and what not.

Were they really Nazi themed or did they just include a symbol that looks like a swastika? A "swastika" or it's reverse has been a religious symbol in Asia for thousands of years, it's even a legitimate character in Chinese and Japanese writing. That that with a grain of salt though, it's just my recollection of discussions over why on the Anime/Manga Bleach Ichigo's sword hilt looks like a swastika.

 

[ahhell]

Were they really Nazi themed or did they just include a symbol that looks like a swastika? A "swastika" or it's reverse has been a religious symbol in Asia for thousands of years, it's even a legitimate character in Chinese and Japanese writing. That that with a grain of salt though, it's just my recollection of discussions over why on the Anime/Manga Bleach Ichigo's sword hilt looks like a swastika.

https://planitperfectevents.com/nazi-chic-weddings/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Cafe Actually in India there was or is one in Indonesia too.

When I've seen the Swastika's it was clearly just the local pre-nazi tradition in use.

 

[angrysoba]

Were they really Nazi themed or did they just include a symbol that looks like a swastika? A "swastika" or it's reverse has been a religious symbol in Asia for thousands of years, it's even a legitimate character in Chinese and Japanese writing. That that with a grain of salt though, it's just my recollection of discussions over why on the Anime/Manga Bleach Ichigo's sword hilt looks like a swastika.

No, there was a bar in Korea that was deliberately Nazi-themed. No doubt it was not to express support, but again that just goes to the point of it being down to indifference or ignorance:

https://apnews.com/article/e6ca03741f8a9300ca88d253cfa9f9e4

 

[dudalb]

No, there was a bar in Korea that was deliberately Nazi-themed. No doubt it was not to express support, but again that just goes to the point of it being down to indifference or ignorance:

https://apnews.com/article/e6ca03741f8a9300ca88d253cfa9f9e4

Probably goes down to an attempt to make a few bucks off of pure shock value.

 

[angrysoba]

Probably goes down to an attempt to make a few bucks off of pure shock value.

Yeah, they were approached by the Israeli embassy and others to change it but they refused. Finally someone pointed out that Hitler was an ally of Imperial Japan during WW2 and they took down the Hitler stuff.