Adnan Syed - Serial / Undisclosed

kwill said:
This case isn't like that, though. Wilds has of course told a shifting, bogus story about what happened. Syed has told no story, except that he let Wilds use his car that day (as he -- and other students -- had on other days), and that as far as he could recall, it was a routine day.

The only thing that has changed about his story has to do with whether or not he asked the victim for a ride. One friend (still his friend to this day and convinced of his complete innocence, by the way) overheard him ask for a ride. She says it was just before class started that day. She says the victim said, "Sure."

Others say that they heard the victim tell him later in the afternoon that she couldn't do it after all, which he accepted.

He says he didn't ask for a ride.

That's the extent of the shifting story for Syed. Compare to Wilds, who spent many hours over a couple of months with the police and changed detail after detail after detail -- not in reaction to anything Syed was saying, but -- at least some of the time -- in reaction to things the police were telling him.
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Don't forget he told Adcock, the police officer who called him on the night of the 13th that he was supposed to get a ride from Hae but that she waited around for him and he was late so she left.
 
kwill said:
It was Coach Sye. And he told the detectives about 3 weeks after Syed was arrested that he remembered talking with Syed about fasting in Ramadan during a day in January when it was warm enough for the team to run outdoors. See last few pages of this document.

There were only a couple of days during Ramadan that were above 40; one was on the 12th, when the team had a meet, and the other was on the day the victim went missing.

It's possible, of course, that the coach was thinking of another day, or another student, or that Syed managed to kill the victim and then sneak into track late and have this conversation.

Not an ironclad alibi for 3:30-5:30, then. But this is an adult with no connection to the case, and his memory of the conversation is supported by both the weather and the season of Ramadan.
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Keep in mind Ramadan lasts a long time too. That makes the possible timeframe for this memory expand.
I was referring to the testimony of Assistant Coach Russell
Page 172 - Assistant track coach Russell indicates that attendance is not recorded
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Looks like from the latest update, the police lied to the witness Asia and lied in court about what she said. . . .oops.
 
Desert Fox said:
No, I am referring to the case of Elizabeth Haysom and Jens Söring.
By the way, there are some who consider Jens Söring to be innocent including an ex attorney general.
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Heh. Yeah.

http://www.jenssoering.com/

Söring pitches himself as a man of great spirituality. He's right up there with Jack Unterweger and Michael Peterson in his knack for winning over elite supporters, who think they divine an upright and truthful person. Syed is a piker by comparison.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
Heh. Yeah.

http://www.jenssoering.com/

Söring pitches himself as a man of great spirituality. He's right up there with Jack Unterweger and Michael Peterson in his knack for winning over elite supporters, who think they divine an upright and truthful person. Syed is a piker by comparison.
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On the reverse side, there are people who believe the Norfolk Four are guilty which to me is one of the clearest case of innocence.
 
In the latest podcast which involves at least one outside medical examiner, the body needs to have been laid with her front downward for at least eight hours before burial. Seems to rule out her being in the trunk before burial where should have had to have been pretzelled and certainly could not have been buried at 7 pm.
 
Aarg, this is frustrating. . . .

I did not lay in my trunk but laid a blanket down behind my car. I then laid face down and folded up my legs. I am 5'10" tall. I was basically the width of my car in that manner. It might be possible to put Hae in the back based on this.

She was 134 and 5 ft 6 inches. I am 165 and 5 ft 10 inches. If I can put myself in my own trunk laying flat on my chest, that kind of strikes against the idea that should could not have been in the trunk although destroys the 1900 burial time.
 
Desert Fox said:
In the latest podcast which involves at least one outside medical examiner, the body needs to have been laid with her front downward for at least eight hours before burial. Seems to rule out her being in the trunk before burial where should have had to have been pretzelled and certainly could not have been buried at 7 pm.
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Please read the autopsy report. She was decomposed and even moldy from being outside. It's not like they had this pristine body with perfect demarcations as to where the lividity could be seen. They saw some of it on her upper anterior chest IIRC, but Undisclosed et al are making it seem much more definitive than it really was.
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
Please read the autopsy report. She was decomposed and even moldy from being outside. It's not like they had this pristine body with perfect demarcations as to where the lividity could be seen. They saw some of it on her upper anterior chest IIRC, but Undisclosed et al are making it seem much more definitive than it really was.
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It appears as if independent medical examiners were willing to state for the record that they though it was definitive enough that Hae was not buried at around 7 pm based on the lividity. Reading the actual autopsy report, it uses the term "prominent lividity."

With regards to the Sentra, my next door neighbor has a Sentra within a couple of years of Hae's. She operates a cleaning service and keeps her supplies in trunk of her car. The trunk is very deep and one could put a body in the trunk torso down and fold the legs.

The evidence seems pretty solid that the timeline, even if Adnan is guilty, is shot.
 
Discussion of the case with a lot on the cell phone angle. . . .Basically, the cell phone evidence is garbage.
 
Yeah, Syed's not guilty.

Reasoning: if there were a true story that involved Syed at the burial site, his friend Jay Wilds would have told it.

There's no reason for Wilds to invent all those versions, some with himself on a log smoking, some with himself up the road in a car, some with Syed throwing a coat into the woods, some with a shovel, some with barfing, some with two shovels, some with a shovel and a pick, some with gardening tools, etc.

He's not protecting his own integrity, or his grandma, or his drug-dealing relatives, or his girlfriend. He's trying to describe something that never happened, which is why he sounds like a person telling you about a movie he didn't see.

Combine all that with the way he got to keep tweaking his version of the day so that it matched the cell towers, and you have a person who has not yet told the truth.

Wilds had two taped police interviews and testified at two trials. The list of things he said at every one that could be independently verified by a reliable source is very short.

Wilds had both car and phone from about noon until late in the afternoon.
Wilds and Syed reconnected just after 5 pm.
In every interview and testimony, Wilds has said that he lied in the previous one.

I don't know who killed Hae Lee, but if had happened in any way that's close to any of the versions delivered by Wilds, there would be evidence.
 
It seems pretty solid that Hae was killed soon after school. The idea seems to be that Adnan asked for a ride, murdered her within just a few minutes, and then got Jay to pick him up and get him back to school for track practice.

Seems to be something that a professional assassin would have trouble doing.

The only evidence they have of this is a pathological liar which they claim is backed up by cell phone evidence (which is unreliable)
 
This is a pretty interesting set of podcasts! I am having trouble understanding how or why it was the cops were talking to Jay in the first place
 
pipelineaudio said:
This is a pretty interesting set of podcasts! I am having trouble understanding how or why it was the cops were talking to Jay in the first place
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They might have had him on a drug change and found out he was friends with Adnan.
 
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