MontagK505
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You're saying anyone with a Radio Shack scanner is planning to commit a felony??
You need a transmitter to have a bug. You really should study some basic electronics.
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You're saying anyone with a Radio Shack scanner is planning to commit a felony??
You need a transmitter to have a bug. You really should study some basic electronics.
leftysergeant
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It is easier to get rid of a transmitter than the reciever. I have not seen any mentioon of whether all four of the thugs were in the vehicle when it was stopped or how far the cops followed them before pulling them over. Plenty of time to have pitched the transmitters, I would guess. They might not even have taken them back to the car. They have to be small enough to hide in a phone or to place in a wiring harness without sticking out and looking obviously out of place.
Just having the device is no crime or indication of nefarious intent, but having announced an intention to perform some act of political sabotage and then being caught with an instrument of such sabotage is prima facia evidence of criminal intent. It is a misdemeanor to place bugs in a private phoine system, but a felony to bug a federal system.
Most people with normal reasoning ability are going to look at a video of blinking lights and think "Well, so?" I do not see how this would get any traction among those not already deranged enough to believe anything the pimp says about a Democrat. He had to have something more in mind.
As for not being able to contact the office on the cell phone, this is al;so not evidence of anything, because we have only the word of a sociopath that they even dialed the right number. Inadmissible.
Whether or not there was any intent to get anyone prosecuted, O'Keefe had no right to make any of the videos he made anywhere in the country since Augusrt of last year. When you accuse someone of a crime, you had damned well better have some real proof. A sting that stops at the point where these punks stopped is not proof of anything. It is just thuggery. A sting either presents an opportunity to complete the simulated crime or it goes in the toilet. There is a valid explanation for what some of the pimp's victims were trying to do, and he refused to let them finish it.
Don't give me any more BS about there being no police reports. There is one, about which the pimp and sleaze totally lied. Right there, the pubklic has a right to expect the pimp to come up with some real proof or take the abuse he gets from people like me.
Dancing David keeps insisting, for instance, that it is not the job of the ACORN workers to set up a sting on the pimp. True, but it is apparently part of ACORN's over-all mission to rescue women from scumbags like the pimp. The dumb pimp actually filmed one of them doing so and put it on YouTube.
And you O'Keefe fans still didn't throw shoes at the idiot for letting you down.
Sad.
It would probably be more productive to try to convince Russel Pickering that there was a passenger-laden airliner inside the Pentagon than to show how badly you have been duped by that sorry little pile of whale scats in the chinchilla coat.
Walter Ego
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I am not spinning a conspiracy theory. I'm merely speculating on what O'Keefe and his frat boy butt-buddies were up to in Landrieu's office. O'Keefe and the frat boys did conspire to do some sort of mischief, criminal or otherwise, in that federal office building. Exactly what is still unclear.
It's O'Keefe's defenders in the right-wing media and blogosphere peanut gallery who are spinning CTs.
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I acknowledge problems within ACORN. I do find it strange that O'Keefe will not release the unedited tapes. Are you ware that some of the video released has voiceovers making it hard to hear what is actually being said? I find that a bit disturbing.
Anyway, some ACORN employees did not react as they should have. Their bad.
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No they do not. That was from an unnamed source in a news story (that got other facts wrong).
That is, fortunately, not a crime.
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This is not in leftysergeant's league in name-calling, but I find your choice of pejoratives odd. "Butt-buddies"? Isn't that a homophobic slur?
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Actually, some of the voice-overs are outright lies. The L.A. tapes are the most damning. The pimp makes it sound as though the ACORN lady is encouraging them to set up their brothel, even though he and the sleaze had not yet told her what they wanted to do with the house.
When she did find out what business they were in, the lady tried to goet the sleaze into a battered women's program. Sleaze naturally refused all help. It was about that time that the ACORN lady starts feeding the pimp BS. The pimp, if he had any sense, would totally not want that tape entered into evidence in the N.O. case as part of demonstrating how he operates and how credible a journalist (SNX, SNORT, BWAHAHAHA....) Sorry. Just can't use the word journalist in the same context with the pimp without rib-splitting sarcastic laughter...
Arguing facts not in evidence. All of them appear to be trying to bring in third parties to "help" set up the operation. The third party would probably be Officer Trixie of the local vice squad.
Don't ask me for police reports. There would probably not be any that could be released.
It is quite one thing to expect a police report when a citizen witnesses an armed robbery and calls the cops, or sees police on a crimme scene and asks whether the laughing lunatic he saw running by his window with a knife half an hour ago might be a person of interest.
On-going organized crime is quite another matter. A homeowner annoyerd that the hookers are parading up and down his street may get upset and call the cops to complain, and there will be apolice report generated and a few arrests made.
But, when a street person or a small businessman gets word that a major criminal operation is going on, he may not really want the police swoopiung down and scooping up the small fry in the operation. And if he knows that the head of the operation is about to do something major, like bringing in ten or so slaves, calling the cops, getting identified as a "stool pigeon" before there is evidence available to ensure that the head of the operation sits in jail pending trial is not going to be very good for the health of the person tipping off the cops through normal channels.
In the case of crimes like prostitution, the police need rersources beyond their own numbers. They need ordinary people to be willing to come forward, whether out of civic responsibility or for some reward. Such resources are called "informants."
It is never a good idea to let the names of informants be made public. It is even better to simply take their information informally and then conduct a quiet investigation based on that information.
Writing it down just makes it that much more likely that the capo of the targetted criminal operation will find out who dropped a dime on him.
A smart vice cop would take the information that a citizen brings him regarding the capo of a prostitution operation and then try to work himself or another detective into the organization, with or without the help of the informant. It the case of the ACORN workers, the informants were quite willing to hand it off in person, from any clues to be found on the video.
Vera said he did this. The police told reporters that this is so. I think we saw Kaelke do it in San Bernardino. Lavelle tried to do it in L.A.
Pimp may find himself getting his petard returned to him as a suppository.
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Meh. Looks like just a subtle way of saying that they are not much in the way of men.
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Actually, if it results in the expenditure of police and court resources and endangers government infrastructure, it is.
Walter Ego
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No, because I'm a homosexual myself.
While "butt buddy" can have a homosexual connotation, it doesn't always have that meaning. I have no knowledge if the defendants are or are not "butt-buddies." I would hope that if it turns out two or more of the defendants are indeed "butt-buddies" it would not prejudice their case.
Haven been properly chastened, however, I will in the future choose pejoratives than cannot be construed as having any reference to the defendants race, creed, ethnic heritage, economic status or sexual orientation.
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Salon has a story about O'Keefe
He doesn't seem to love black people. He has attended white nationalist conferences and he was fired for a prank in 2008.
He doesn't seem to love black people. He has attended white nationalist conferences and he was fired for a prank in 2008.
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Read the Salon story. While quite a bit of it was guilt by association and I had initially chalked up O'Keefe's prank call to Planned Parenthood as some elaborate prank trying to "punk" them after reading Salon's article now I am not so sure. Regardless, O'Keefe is looking tainted at this point. I look forward to Hannity's defense.
theprestige
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I look forward to not taking Hannity's opinion any more seriously than Salon's.
Oh, wait. As Keanu Reeves said in Speed, "mister, I'm already there".
While (despite lefty's fact-free pronouncements to this effect) O'Keefe is not my 'hero' and I don't 'worship' him.... Many different ways of pointing out Planned Parenthood's roots in the Eugenics movement have been tried. This also gained some publicity when William Bennett tried to make a point about Freakamonics on his radio show in 2008.
If O'Keefe attended the American Renaissance conference, then that is deplorable and this guy should be shunned. That Salon photo looks extremely manipulated, almost cartoonish, though. Are they just saying that he was photographed there, and the accompanying illustration is just for effect? It looks really odd.
If O'Keefe attended the American Renaissance conference, then that is deplorable and this guy should be shunned. That Salon photo looks extremely manipulated, almost cartoonish, though. Are they just saying that he was photographed there, and the accompanying illustration is just for effect? It looks really odd.
Cleon
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The fanatical hatred some people have of O'keefe is really kind of bizarre; it makes even less sense to me than the tendency for some folks to froth at the mouth over Michael Moore.
Folks, he's a kid with a video camera and delusions of grandeur. He's not some conservative superhero. Relax. Pull the stick out.
Remember Joe the Plumber? No, of course you don't. He was the last conservative nobody-cum-conservative-hero, and you can see how much of a splash he's made lately. Give it another year or two, and O'Keefe will be just as influential.
Calm down.
Folks, he's a kid with a video camera and delusions of grandeur. He's not some conservative superhero. Relax. Pull the stick out.
Remember Joe the Plumber? No, of course you don't. He was the last conservative nobody-cum-conservative-hero, and you can see how much of a splash he's made lately. Give it another year or two, and O'Keefe will be just as influential.
Calm down.
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Here's the unaltered photo...
http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/in...6&catid=34:ye-olde-white-power-chopping-block
Salon's manipulation of it will just allow his supporters to yell "They doctored the photo!" and divert attention away from where it belongs.
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Note that the photo accompanying the article is a composite; the background was not there when O'Keefe was photographed, nor was he wearing a white shirt and jacket. An attempt to make him look "whiter"?
Thanks - I'll give the original post a read when I get a chance.
OK, to clarify - If he attended that conference as a supporter of American Renaissance and its goals, he should be shunned. If he attended as a reporter or as part of some journalistic endeavor, that's different. If it's the latter, a photo doesn't prove anything to me.
