ACORN filmmaker arrested

leftysergeant said:
Anbd I would also equate people who admire the pimp with people who thought that Reagan was a genius as he blundered about the White House with his brain starting to ooze out his ears, or who think that the fat deaf eunuch on the EIB network is a moral leader and a real man, or people who know for a bloody fact that there were autopsies done on grey aliens at Site 51.
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Your counterpunches kind of suck.

It is the unanimous opinion of prosecuting attorneys everywhere that the only crimes committed during the ACORN stings were committed by pimp and sleaze.
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Better start prodding those prosecuting attorneys everywhere, then. Looks like they're a tad too lazy.
 
The greater the political ramifications of a case, the longer it takes to bring it to trial. California is kind of strapped for cash right now. Maryland hasn't much to work with other than pimp boy's tapes.

Why shouldn't they take the easy way out and let the Feds do the heavy lifting, then use some of their work in the state cases?
 
leftysergeant said:
The greater the political ramifications of a case, the longer it takes to bring it to trial. California is kind of strapped for cash right now. Maryland hasn't much to work with other than pimp boy's tapes.

Why shouldn't they take the easy way out and let the Feds do the heavy lifting, then use some of their work in the state cases?
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Okay then, you need to kickstart the Feds.
 
It is the unanimous opinion of prosecuting attorneys everywhere that the only crimes committed during the ACORN stings were committed by pimp and sleaze. No charges will ever be brought against ACORN or the office workers whom they video taped because it is obvious that they lied about what was or was not done for them.
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For the umpteenth time, the intent was never to bring actionable court cases, but to expose the corruption. Workers fired. Mission accomplished.
 
Neally said:
For the umpteenth time, the intent was never to bring actionable court cases, but to expose the corruption. Workers fired. Mission accomplished.
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When will you learn to apply some critical thinking to the stories that your heroes tell you? Hold them to the same standards most of us do Dylan Avery or Alex Jones.

The idiots did not prove anything. Of course trhe object was not to take anything to court. They would have wound up in jail themselves on at least six felony counts each. They created an illusion that the ACORN people were really on board with them.

They weren't. Why are you ignoring the fact that Vera was in contact with the cops BEFORE the dirt balls went public with their crap? You need to explain to me why he would be concocting a cover for himself before he had any idea that he was in trouble if you expect me to believe you have even given this the ;least critical thought.

This is supposed to be a forumm for critical discussion of events, and about five of you are not holding up your end of it.

They were out to destroy ACORN whether ACORN was dirty or not. If they thought ACORN was dirty, why did they go to maggot boy Breitbart instead of the cops?

ACORN people at least had the sense to go to the cops in at least two cases.

I'll save you the wear and tear on your brain. Pimp did not go to the cops because he only had a pocket full of lies.
 
leftysergeant said:
Why are you ignoring the fact that Vera was in contact with the cops BEFORE the dirt balls went public with their crap? You need to explain to me why he would be concocting a cover for himself before he had any idea that he was in trouble if you expect me to believe you have even given this the ;least critical thought.
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Again, I would ask you to just consider posting without all of the invective. It really doesn't help.

I note your use of the passive voice, "was in contact with the cops." It fits the popular narrative of this story.

When I first read it, the story made it sound like Vera immediately went to the police. For example:

After the pair left the building, Vera said he called the National City Police Department
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  • Juan Carlos Vera was filmed on the 18th. In the interview, he volunteered to call police, but didn't after O'Keefe told him "I'm going to be a lawyer."
  • On the 20th, 2 days after he was filmed, Vera mentioned the incident to his cousin, a detective.
  • His cousin mentioned it to other police, including the human smuggling task force, and they asked Vera for more info.
  • Vera "responded several days later and explained that the information he received was not true and he had been duped." (link)

Just a thought.
 
In addition to what carlitos said, the very first and immediate action any honest employees should have taken is to contact their boss. None did and were rightfully fired. But we've been all through this multiple times.
When will you learn to apply some critical thinking to the stories that your heroes tell you?
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You're the one blinded by your ideology to the point that rational thought has been compromised.
 
Neally said:
In addition to what carlitos said, the very first and immediate action any honest employees should have taken is to contact their boss. None did and were rightfully fired. But we've been all through this multiple times.
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What you fail to grasp is that this is no indication of criminal intent. The burden is on you to show that his next superior is more readily available than was Vera's contact on the police force.

You're the one blinded by your ideology to the point that rational thought has been compromised.
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Tu quogue. You are blithely ignoring the fact that the pimp is a known liar and that the video is all obviously incomplete and not presented in real-time, thus is utterly worthless in couyrt for other purposes than proving that the pimp is a criminal. Nothing the pimp presented is proof that the ACORN people were willing to go along with the pimp's scheme.

Nothing that the pimp can say about the crimes he and his moron buddies committed at Landrieu's office prove that their intent was not feloneous. Dai had bugging gear, so we have to assume intent to bug.

Felons, all of them.
 
http://biggovernment.com/2010/02/01...on-he-was-an-acorn-secret-shopper/#more-67786

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As amusing as it’s been to see O’Keefe’s antics demonstrate media bias, there is the concern about an obscure portion of the United States Code about misrepresenting yourself to gain access to a federal facility.


According to O’Keefe, videotape of the event will fully exonerate him. If we take that at face value, then all that is left is the charge of misrepresentation to gain access to a federal office.

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As the story leaks out about the real purpose behind the sting, expect media pundits and leftwing bloggers to begin harping about entering the building under false pretenses and demanding the full range of punishment. As you can see, that’s 6 month imprisonment and a fine as the maximum, which is still serious, but not a felony.

It is still instructive to look at other examples of entering official government buildings under false pretenses, especially when the perpetrators are none other than the fine staff members of ACORN (you just knew there was going to be an ACORN link, didn’t you?). Considering the media tour Bertha Lewis embarked on to claim O’Keefe’s arrest “is further evidence of his disregard for the law in pursuit of his extremist agenda,” we can take a look at the kind of secret undercover investigation of which Bertha Lewis does approve.

In ACORN vs. Deborah Scott, a lawsuit brought by ACORN and its allies against the Missouri Department of Social Services, an undercover member of ACORN went into state offices posing as a poor woman seeking welfare.

ACORN refers to this action as “secret shopper,” and uses it to bolster their case accusing the DSS of not providing voter registrations low-income citizens.

During the Week of May 7, 2007, Nyana Miller a staff member of
ACORN, conducted DSS offices surveys in St Louis City, St. Louis County,
 Jackson County, and Clay County to determine whether they were providing 
voter registration services as required by the NVRA. Miller conducted 
“secret shopper” office visits to determine the availability of voter 
registration services, signs, and the readiness of the staff to offer voter 
registration services. She also surveyed DSS clients leaving DSS offices to 
determine whether the client was offered voter registration services during
 his or her visit. When Miller visited offices, she identified herself as a 
person interested in applying for food stamps and tool contemporaneous
notes.
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One wonders if there are any relevant Missouri fraud statutes about using false pretenses to apply for state aid. Miller conducted “secret shopper” office visits, where she identified herself as someone interested in applying for food stamps. UNDER FALSE PRETENSES! Shocking. This show of flagrant disregard for honesty doesn’t seem to be addressed in the rest of the court documents, but certainly we can agree that when it suits their purposes, ACORN has no problem lying to government officials to gather evidence. They like it so much they use the information gathered in court documents that would eventually bring them almost half a millon dollars in lawyer’s fees.
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http://spectator.org/archives/2010/02/01/free-james-okeefe

In case you wonder what the future is for justice and law enforcement and media control in this country, take a look at two cases.

During the last Presidential election, a gang of men calling themselves Black Panthers showed up at a polling place in Michigan. They threatened any voter who did not vote for Barack Obama. This was witnessed and documented. … snip ...

The bullying was barely reported in the media. Even though it is an unequivocal violation of voting rights laws, it was decided by Obama's Attorney General, Eric Holder, not to prosecute the case at all. … snip ...

A few days ago, four young conservatives posed as telephone repairmen and entered the branch office of Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana in New Orleans. Their goal was to check to see if the phone system in the office was working. … snip …

The men were arrested and are now charged with a federal felony of something called tampering with a federal phone line.
The New York Times had a front page story about the men and their conservative college pranks. At the top of the story was a photo of each of the men in prison orange.

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Meanwhile, no charges against those thugs with the clubs at the polling place.

Does this give you the feeling that maybe the prison orange for Mr. O'Keefe and his pals is a mark of courage and honor and that the rest of us should be shivering about what the Obama Justice Department thinks is law? When was the last time you read about federal charges against a liberal reporter for going undercover?
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How are Breitbart's rants exculpatory? Bertha Lewis did nothing that in any way endangered the infrastructure at the offices. The pimp was free to ask questions at Landrieu's office. He didn't. He tried to lay hands on the equipment.

Breitbart is comparing apples to aardvarks.
 
leftysergeant said:
What you fail to grasp is that this is no indication of criminal intent. The burden is on you to show that his next superior is more readily available than was Vera's contact on the police force.
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Thank you. Solidly confirms your rational thinking is compromised.
 
Neally said:
Thank you. Solidly confirms your rational thinking is compromised.
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You are ignoring the fact that the pimp did not prove that Vera had any intent other than what Vera said he had.

Had the useless little twitactually set up a fake movement of the girls into tthe USA with cops waiting to bust Vera, he wouldl have something.

He didn't. Vera had no chance to damn or vindicate himself. Pimp proved nothing.

Your reasoning appears impaired.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/01/breitbart-defends-okeefe/

James O'Keefe, accused of trying to tamper with the phones of Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu, was "framed" by the media and the U.S. attorney's office, Andrew Breitbart, publisher of BigGovernment.com, told Fox News Monday.

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Hours later, Jim Letten, U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Louisiana, recused himself from the case.

The Department of Justice announced the change in a news release Monday night, but did not say why Letten wanted off the case.

"James O'Keefe sat in jail for 28 hours without access to an attorney, while the U.S. attorney leaked the information about his arrest, helping the media frame it as 'Watergate Junior,'" Breitbart said.
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BeAChooser said:
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/02/01/free-james-okeefe

"Meanwhile, no charges against those thugs with the clubs at the polling place."
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BAC, be careful of your sources. In this case they are wrong. The Bush administration chose to pursue civil charges instead of criminal charges against the club thug at the polling place. He was prosecuted under civil charges by the Obama administration.

Sorry to burst your right-wing talking points bubble.
 
The only thing that that Faux News tidbit proves is that Letten is just as sorry a prosecutor as Flanagan. He may even have been trying to screw up the case.

Diapers Vitter was trying to guarantee that Letten remained in place before he lifted his hold on Flanagan's appointment. Maybe somebody got to Letten and told him to get the hell out of the way or he might get dragged down into the sewer that the pimp crawled out of.

Letten and Flanagan both need to go anyway. There is no way that either of them is clean because of the Vitter/Flanagan connection.
 
That's why we call people names. It makes us feel better when they sit in jail for 28 hours.
 
leftysergeant said:
Diapers Vitter was trying to guarantee that Letten remained in place before he lifted his hold on Flanagan's appointment. Maybe somebody got to Letten and told him to get the hell out of the way or he might get dragged down into the sewer that the pimp crawled out of.
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Looks like the senator got what he wanted.

Vitter To Drop Hold On Louisiana U.S. Attorney Nominee

February 1, 2010

Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) will no longer hold up federal nominations in his state after receiving assurance that the job of the George W. Bush-holdover U.S. Attorney in New Orleans is safe, The Times-Picayune reported today.

The Republican senator now will return his “blue slip” on Western District of Louisiana U.S. Attorney nominee Stephanie Finley and other federal nominees, which he had been withholding until he received official word on the status of U.S. Attorney Jim Letten.

The Senate Judiciary Committee traditionally does not consider a nomination until it receives a “blue slip” from the nominee’s home state senator.

http://www.mainjustice.com/2010/02/01/vitter-to-drop-hold-on-louisiana-u-s-attorney-nominee/
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At least Letten had the sense to recuse himself from the O'Keefe case.

I would still like the DoJ and the Senate Judiciary Committee to keep an eye on him.
 
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