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Acceptable bigotry

rikzilla said:
Gays and Atheists are extreme minorities. Majorities always have picked on minorities. It isn't right...it just is. Such attitudes should be condemned when heard as general principle. Problem is, most reasonable folks remain quiet.

But there's a bright side...times and attitudes have changed quite alot in recent years. We're moving in the right direction, albeit slowly.

Good OP...welcome Hayseus! ;)

-z

"Extreme" minorities??

:confused:
 
Jesus said:
I was listening to a sports-talks radio show when a caller said he was watching a baseball game where the cameraman panned to two guys kissing in the crowd. He commented that if he was at the game with his son, that cameraman would have had to "deal with him".

If the guy would have been at the game, how would he have known that the cameraman was showing the guys kissing? :confused:
 
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The Central Scrutinizer said:
If the guy would have been at the game, how would he have known that the cameraman was showing the guys kissing? :confused:


That made me laugh out loud. :D

Thank you for pointing that out, I hadn't thought of it.


Do they show people up on the big display from those camera feeds though?
 
No matter how far society advances we will always have rednecks to poke fun at. :D
 
Jesus said:
I am just wondering why it is ok to bash gays in this country, while we can get very sensitive in regards to ethnicity. I guess acceptance only goes so far.

It is OK to do whatever you want - who are you trying to impress with your tolerance? And why? You think they'll like you better if you accept every stupid notion and display your desperate urge to love everyone, no matter their behavior? Anyone who likes you for THAT is a flake.

The other group I find it is fine to bash is the non-believing portion of the population. It is amazing the kind of stuff I've heard from people, especially the ones who think it is insane that someone would not believe in the supernatural, be it god(s), psychics, astrology, or what have you.

Take the heat, and stop wanting people to like you. They never will. Who cares? You are talking like a girl! Nobody respects girlie men except other wusses and people who feel sorry for you. Don't be fooled by such sympathy- they are secretly patronizing you and think you're pathetic. Then, all the straight couples will go home and screw in the kitchen, thinking they've done a good deed by sticking up for queers for half-a-second. "Tolerant", my @ss, they hate gays. Everyone does, because they are annoying.

Are these or other groups fair game to be discriminated against in other countries besides the States? Or am I just crazy, thinking that my anecdotes are indicative of a bigger problem that doesn't really exist? Any comments are welcome.

In a normal country, you'd be properly shunned for wasting time worring over stupid crap. But this is America, where bubbles of introspection and idle fantasy are insulated by the blood and hard labor of those who can't afford NOT to work. If you had any real responsibility other than self-amusement and socializing, then you'd understand. But your unfocused goals - or complete lack of them - allows you to spend time accusing the world of hating gays and athiests.

Why those two groups soooo want to be loved is a mystery. I think they are selfish.
 
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American said:
It is OK to do whatever you want - who are you trying to impress with your tolerance? And why? You think they'll like you better if you accept every stupid notion and display your desperate urge to love everyone, no matter their behavior? Anyone who likes you for THAT is a flake.

Take the heat, and stop wanting people to like you. They never will. Who cares? You are talking like a girl! Nobody respects girlie men except other wusses and people who feel sorry for you. Don't be fooled by such sympathy- they are secretly patronizing you and think you're pathetic. Then, all the straight couples will go home and screw in the kitchen, thinking they've done a good deed by sticking up for queers for half-a-second. "Tolerant", my @ss, they hate gays. Everyone does, because they are annoying.

In a normal country, you'd be properly shunned for wasting time worring over stupid crap. But this is America, where bubbles of introspection and idle fantasy are insulated by the blood and hard labor of those who can't afford NOT to work. If you had any real responsibility other than self-amusement and socializing, then you'd understand. But your unfocused goals - or complete lack of them - allows you to spend time accusing the world of hating gays and athiests.

Why those two groups soooo want to be loved is a mystery. I think they are selfish.
David Duke would be so proud. I know, I know but damn if I can't help feeding trolls. Carry on.
 
To quote Eddie Izzard:

"That's OK... if they want to be homophobic... as long as they do it behind closed doors and don't hurt anyone..."

A friend of mine (who is christian, thinks it's a choice yet likes gay people - go figure) has an interesting approach... if some guy (it's usually a guy) slams gay people, he'll bat his eyes, put his arm around the bigot and/or blow kisses...

Dunno what it accomplishes, but it really freaks 'em out.
 
Tmy said:
Ill take it a step further. Its more acceptable to bash gay men than gay women. Two chicks making out........thats acceptable in many cases. Two men, well no so much.

Its evolution of soceity. Slowly we get over biases.

Bill Hicks used to do this bit about that... he'd get the audience all wound up about seeing 2 gay men kissing being gross, etc... the crowd would clap, cheer, generally show their bias. Then he'd switch to "now, 2 women kissing is HOT". The resulting nervous laughs were interesting... the whole audience realizing they'd been called on their bigotry :)
 
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The Central Scrutinizer said:
Yes, sometimes. But those are seperate cameras from the television feed.
I don't think that's always the case. I just went to see the Eagles live and the replays looked just like they would on TV. That being said, who knows if the ones I saw were actually the ones being broadcast?

To American, I am not saying people can't bash other people. In fact, I am not a fan of PC-ness by any means. I was wondering why there is no outrage at the bias of certain groups, while there is when the same bias happenes to others.

I find that ignorant people are necessary to take issue with, particularly the vocal ones who appear on the news (supporting psychics, ID, and other nonsense). I find behaviors in the southern states of the US repellent, too. Putting anti-gay and racist wording in State Constitutons on the ballots in the so-called red states of the south proves that they're pretty far from enlightenment to me.

I don't love everyone or want everyone to love everyone, but thanks for the strawman anyway.
 
Ryokan said:
I'm glad I live in Europe, where people can be gay atheists without a problem ;)

Edit : I admit, it's an exageration. While atheists get to live in peace, there is some gay-hating from the religious and political far right. However, these are extremely small fringe groups.

It's also only applicable to Northwestern Europe. The machismo cultures of Mediterranean Europe, particularly those where Roman Catholocism still has a strong hold on the government. are far less tolerant of homosexuality in general; and Eastern Europe/Baltic states are not good places to be homosexual. Especially in regions with large Muslim populations.
 
AmateurScientist said:
Clearly, it's meant to be derogatory. I wonder if in the case of the U.S., it's vestigial prejudice against Irish immigrants, mostly in the NE, where the predominant settlers during the great Irish waves of immigration in the 19th Century were still English. I realize you're English, Darat, but in the U.S. red-hair still seems to be associated with a stereotype of being Irish.

I don't think that's necessarily it. I haven't noticed anywhere near the anti-ginger prejudice in the US as I have among the Irish themselves. It may be more prevalent in the US in areas with large Irish immigrant populations; but how much of that is vestigal anti-Irish sentiment, and how much of that is from the Irish themselves?

Yeah, I agree. The best remedy seems to be to have a child who is gay and/or atheist. That whole unconditional love thing usually kicks in and understanding takes over. It's amazing how former anti-gay bigots change when they discover one of their close and beloved relatives is gay.
Not necessarily. I know more than a few who have been disowned and ostracized by their families for being homosexual. Not all of them from religious backgrounds either. I know that my parents would have nothing to do with me at all if I ever came out of the closet about my transgenderism.

Originally posted by Plognark
I still pick up on antisemitism and racism against blacks and hispanics quite a bit as well. Very disheartening.

I don't see as much of that where I live, though there is some. The biggest ethnic prejudice I generally see here is anti-Asian racism in the Black American community; there's also quite a bit of prejudice among multi-generational Black Americans against recent African immigrants (generally Ethiopian), as well as Middle-Eastern ethnicities. In fact, I seem more general prejudice against Middle-Easterners than against any other ethnic group, since 9/11. It was there prior to that, but not nearly to the degree it is now.
 
Elind said:
"Extreme" minorities??

:confused:

Whoo-hoo! Gay atheist....to the extreme!!!!!! Yeah! It's the edgiest of demographics!

Get me a Mountain Dew!

Then get me a stomach pump. That stuff is carbonated weasel pee mixed with high fructose corn syrup.

High fructose corn syrup...gross!
 
TragicMonkey said:
Whoo-hoo! Gay atheist....to the extreme!!!!!! Yeah! It's the edgiest of demographics!

Get me a Mountain Dew!

Then get me a stomach pump. That stuff is carbonated weasel pee mixed with high fructose corn syrup.

High fructose corn syrup...gross!

Hey, hey... that's "carbonated weasel pee" of the gods to us programmers :)
 
El_Spectre said:
Hey, hey... that's "carbonated weasel pee" of the gods to us programmers :)

...and to the recording engineers. Though if you happen to be in a certain area, I would recommend "Vernors." that's carbonated Lion Pee of the Gods and will put hair on your chest.
 
El_Spectre said:
Hey, hey... that's "carbonated weasel pee" of the gods to us programmers :)

I'm a programmer, but I don't drink that stuff.

I prefer Coke.

With LSD in it.

Just kidding!

I put the LSD in my morning coffee. As I always say, start your day with unicorn elephant blue wow pinkness amazing zazzy boom!
 
TragicMonkey said:
I'm a programmer, but I don't drink that stuff.

I prefer Coke.

With LSD in it.

Just kidding!

I put the LSD in my morning coffee. As I always say, start your day with unicorn elephant blue wow pinkness amazing zazzy boom!


As far as recording engineers and that recipe is concerned, it only applies if you're Bill Halverstein and working with CSNY.

Or the engineer for Floyd.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Whoo-hoo! Gay atheist....to the extreme!!!!!! Yeah! It's the edgiest of demographics!

Get me a Mountain Dew!

Then get me a stomach pump. That stuff is carbonated weasel pee mixed with high fructose corn syrup.

High fructose corn syrup...gross!

You know you don't need to post when you try to impress yourself with nonsense. A mirror gives better feedback.
 
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Jesus said:
I don't think that's always the case. I just went to see the Eagles live and the replays looked just like they would on TV. That being said, who knows if the ones I saw were actually the ones being broadcast?
I think the "TV" broadcasts of an Eagles concert would be totally different from (than?) the broadcast of a baseball game. The latter would feature ads on TV while showing replays, stats, etc. on the "visitron" or whatever the damn thing is called.

IOW, Scrut's right. There are different camera feeds for different audiences.
 
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SezMe said:
I think the "TV" broadcasts of an Eagles concert would be totally different from (than?) the broadcast of a baseball game. The latter would feature ads on TV while showing replays, stats, etc. on the "visitron" or whatever the damn thing is called.

IOW, Scrut's right. There are different camera feeds for different audiences.

For what it's worth: I used to go to a lot of Laker games, and they'd have this "Kiss me cam" thing where they focused on couples. Maybe 1 per game would make it on TV, but several dozen couples got shown in the arena.
 

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