Absolute proof of video fakery

[defaultdotxbe]

Ah, I see the goalposts were shifted again. I am not interested in what government employees were forced to say. I want the eyewitnesses you described, You knpw, the ones just going about their business when they saw a plane.

firefighters and paramedics are government employees?

thats news to me

 

[Pardalis]

For a newbie you seem quite familiar with the report function.

 

[Drudgewire]

For a newbie you seem quite familiar with the report function.

I was wondering if anyone else noticed that.

 

[mchapman]

For a newbie you seem quite familiar with the report function.

Forums tend to have them.

 

[twinstead]

Well, that settles it. Regardless of how many people actually SAW the plane hit the building, some dubious compression artifacts in a jpeg video show otherwise. Therefore, there must be some other explanation. Mass hysteria? Mass hypnotism? Mass magic mushrooms?

I guess we'll never know.

 

[dudalb]

firefighters and paramedics are government employees?

thats news to me

Not the Federal Government. But the FDNY are employees of NYC, and the paramedics were probably a mixture of FDNY paramedics and those employed by Private hospitals and Ambulance firms.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

No, the millions existed. And im sure most of them were looking at the towers, so whats the delay on producing just 50 that saw a plane?

What report producing just 50 that saw a plane? Why would there be a report?

So you concur that millions of people watched the plane hit the buildings correct?

 

[Steven Lupo Grossi]

so how did they put the fake planes into live broadcasts from multiple networks?

Like this.

 

[Crazytimes]

What? You mean to tell us you can't find any yourself? The only telling thing about that is your inability to research.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheysaw:eyewitnessaccountsofthenycai

Here is a small subset of examples from that page:


Source


Source


Source


Source

Source​

This above link is itself a compendium of links. Other testimonies, some of which are already found on the above link others of which are not, can be found here:
http://thememoryhole.org/911/

As well as here:
http://old.911digitalarchive.org/stories/

For those who'd rather read something on paper, here's a book:
http://www.amazon.com/September-11-History-Dean-Murphy/dp/0385507682

And let's not forget the first responder testimony, some of which does indeed describe watching the jets impacts:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

There's also reporting of what the 9-1-1 operators heard:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/01/nyregion/01operator.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/01/nyregion/01tapes.html

I mean, even trying to pretend that the information is not out there is just flabbergasting. Do you honestly think that playing link-gotcha is going to support your case? And are you honestly so benighted that you cannot find these yourself, therefore you need "help"?

Your case is not only unsupportable, it's not even new. Gravy's had these testimonies displayed, and links to others for what, over a year now? Two? And you're only now trying to imply that there were no eyewitnesses? And you're only now trying to imply that the only people who've claimed to have witnessed the jets were government employees?

Old. Long discredited. Baseless. Demonstrably wrong. That is the only logical judgement of your thesis. There were indeed eyewitnesses to the impacts.

Noooo....he means MORE people that werent told what to say. Video is faked, eye witnesses were told to lie. This is getting comical.

:reported

 

[JimBenArm]

Like this.

You link to stuff from Ace Baker, and expect to be taken seriously?



It is to laugh!

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Reemphasis:

Twinstead's post:

Well, I guess there's these people:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheysaw:eyewitnessaccountsofthenycai

And my own:

What? You mean to tell us you can't find any yourself? The only telling thing about that is your inability to research.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheysaw:eyewitnessaccountsofthenycai

Here is a small subset of examples from that page:


Source


Source


Source


Source

Source​

This above link is itself a compendium of links. Other testimonies, some of which are already found on the above link others of which are not, can be found here:
http://thememoryhole.org/911/

As well as here:
http://old.911digitalarchive.org/stories/

For those who'd rather read something on paper, here's a book:
http://www.amazon.com/September-11-History-Dean-Murphy/dp/0385507682

And let's not forget the first responder testimony, some of which does indeed describe watching the jets impacts:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

There's also reporting of what the 9-1-1 operators heard:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/01/nyregion/01operator.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/01/nyregion/01tapes.html

I mean, even trying to pretend that the information is not out there is just flabbergasting. Do you honestly think that playing link-gotcha is going to support your case? And are you honestly so benighted that you cannot find these yourself, therefore you need "help"?

Your case is not only unsupportable, it's not even new. Gravy's had these testimonies displayed, and links to others for what, over a year now? Two? And you're only now trying to imply that there were no eyewitnesses? And you're only now trying to imply that the only people who've claimed to have witnessed the jets were government employees?

Old. Long discredited. Baseless. Demonstrably wrong. That is the only logical judgement of your thesis. There were indeed eyewitnesses to the impacts.

There are over 70 witness testimonies in the Gravy link alone, many more at the other links I provided. The point is that mchapman's challenge is answered beyond his specification. As noted before, there are indeed a plethora of eyewitnesses to the event. No fakery there. There is no chance for any proposal that it was not a witnessed event. There is no opportunity to claim that no one personally saw it, or testified that they saw it.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Like this.

I can't help to reitterate this:

Well, that settles it. Regardless of how many people actually SAW the plane hit the building, some dubious compression artifacts in a jpeg video show otherwise. Therefore, there must be some other explanation. Mass hysteria? Mass hypnotism? Mass magic mushrooms?

I guess we'll never know.

 

[Mercutio]

I was thinking that the only options were (in order) 1) Troll, or 2) barely a passing acquaintance with this thing we call reality. Just thought of another, though, and it makes me feel much better (so it must be true).

Thanks, mchapman, for serving as visual aid, illustrating vividly the exact thing Mark Roberts spoke of in his interview! What a commendable public service--no doubt at the cost of significant effort. But like all pros, you made it look natural. The listening public may have thought he was making up "no-planers" (I mean, really--it's like the first person to describe a platypus; no one would believe!), but your performance is spot-on! The impossibly high standards of evidence expected of the actual investigators, compared with the laughably inept "absolute proof"--it is quite simply a textbook example!

So, thank you, and next time I buy Gravy a beer, I hope you'll join us and we can all have a laugh about it!

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Like this.

so how many people does this add to the conspiracy?

heres a list of tv stations in new york:

Channel 2: WCBS-TV - (CBS) - New York City, CBS 2
Channel 4: WNBC - (NBC) - New York City, NBC 4
Channel 5: WNYW-TV - (FOX) - New York City, FOX 5 New York, WABD when it was the Flagship station of the DuMont Television Network, became WNEW before 1986
Channel 6: WNYZ-LP - Pulse 87, Low power TV station operation primarily as a radio station
Channel 7: WABC-TV - (ABC) - New York City, ABC 7
Channel 9: WWOR-TV - (MyNetworkTV) - Secaucus, NJ, My 9 (New York City), known as WOR before 1987
Channel 11: WPIX - (The CW) - New York City, CW 11 (formerly WB 11)
Channel 31: WPXN-TV - (ION) - New York City
NY 1: 24-hour local news channel by Time Warner Cable, New York City area, New York One
News 12: 24-hour local news cable channel, with distinct channels in sections of the metropolitan area

im certain they each had at least one camera crew out on 9/11, so any planes on any of their tapes must have been faked, necessitating complicity from the camera crews and many others at the station


i think the truthers real beef must be that they are the only people in the country that WEREN'T in on it, and they want to get paid too

 

[Drudgewire]

Like this.

ACE ing BAKER???? Second time this thread:

 

[twinstead]

I could have gone many more years without having to force myself to read Ace Baker again. The intrepid musician/investigoogler ROCKS!

 

[beachnut]

If thousands saw the plane and you know that thousands saw the plane then you must have read their testimony. So link me to some of them, whats the delay?

Yes I can find you a thousand, but you have to pay, I will through in the first eye witness free of research charges, I get 4000 dollar an hour. Minimum one hour and expenses, you own me two Popsicles and 20 ounces of coke.

I estimate one thousand witnesses statement will cost you 4,000,000 dollars. Do you got the money? Well do you?

You can't find one for yourself, how do you expect to understand what they say?

You don't deserve to read this post, nor the thread. I doubt you can handle the truth.

I saw both planes hit.

The post,
http://www.randi.org/forumlive/showpost.php?p=2041454&postcount=160
in this tread,
http://www.randi.org/forumlive/showthread.php?p=2041454#post2041454
The rest will cost you but I have a few more sources from just this one witnesses. The leads from this one witness will numbers in the hundreds, if you understand reality. Why are all your ideas on 9/11 failed old and refuted years ago?

You are presenting the dumbest 9/11 truth failures; why?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

you own me two Popsicles and 20 ounces of coke.

i can own you for 2 popsicles and 20oz of coke?

SOLD!

 

[Drudgewire]

Yes I can find you a thousand, but you have to pay, I will through in the first eye witness free of research charges, I get 4000 dollar an hour. Minimum one hour and expenses, you own me two Popsicles and 20 ounces of coke.

I estimate one thousand witnesses statement will cost you 4,000,000 dollars. Do you got the money? Well do you?

Where the hell can you get 560 grams of coke that cheap?

 

[mchapman]

What report producing just 50 that saw a plane? Why would there be a report?

So you concur that millions of people watched the plane hit the buildings correct?

Several people said they saw missiles. Several people say they just saw the building explode. Do you believe them?