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Absolute proof of video fakery

No Planers...you gotta love them.
It says something that their basic idea is so insane that for a while most truthers, as wacky as they are, thought the No Planers were crazy.
But as the number dwindle, and the truthers are shrunk to the hard core insane, I would not be surprised if the No planers become the majority in the Twoof movement.
 
dudalb said:
No Planers...you gotta love them.
It says something that their basic idea is so insane that for a while most truthers, as wacky as they are, thought the No Planers were crazy.
But as the number dwindle, and the truthers are shrunk to the hard core insane, I would not be surprised if the No planers become the majority in the Twoof movement.
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Well, they are the majority of those still posting here, as far as I can tell. Which is an indictment of the truth movement. The only ones left are the absolute crazies. Chemtrail believers are rational in comparison.
 
Totovader said:
If someone goes through the trouble of collecting 50 names and testimony of those 50 names to corroborate that there was in fact a plane, what good would it do?

Would that information be enough to abandon these stupid no-plane theory?

I would be willing to bet money that it wouldn't. 11,000 names wouldn't be enough.

It's what we call a fools errand- you're simply stalling to avoid the facts.
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30 bucks says that what I post here will be discreditted and goal posts will be shifted again:


mchapman said:
If thousands saw the plane and you know that thousands saw the plane then you must have read their testimony. So link me to some of them, whats the delay?
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NY times interviewed hundreds of rescue personel regarding the events

and

this
 
Ah, I see the goalposts were shifted again. I am not interested in what government employees were forced to say. I want the eyewitnesses you described, You knpw, the ones just going about their business when they saw a plane.
 
mchapman

Please answer the question. Are you saying that the millions of people there watching didn't exist, that they were all looking at something other than the huge burning skyscraper hit by a plane, or that they are all keeping quiet? or do you have an alternative claim?
 
mchapman said:
Ah, I see the goalposts were shifted again. I am not interested in what government employees were forced to say. I want the eyewitnesses you described, You knpw, the ones just going about their business when they saw a plane.
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BWHAHAHA!! Can we call Websters and request that this No-Planer's post be added to the definition of hypocrisy??

Anyhow, back to the OP, have Chapman, did you see how all those guys followed the sound of the plane?

Terrific stuff!
 
mchapman said:
Ah, I see the goalposts were shifted again. I am not interested in what government employees were forced to say. I want the eyewitnesses you described, You knpw, the ones just going about their business when they saw a plane.
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Yes, of course they were forced to say it. They all lack personal integrity and morals, obviously, since they work for the government. Not a single one would ever say "shove it" and say what really happened.

So, we can pretty much conclude you've never met anyone in government employment anywhere, correct? Other than the DMV, who we all agree are just evil.
 
It is thought by some truthers that no planers are actually people hired by the government to discredit the truth movement. I mean seriously--who could actually be THAT stupid?

One word: COINTELPRO
 
Jonnyclueless said:
mchapman

Please answer the question. Are you saying that the millions of people there watching didn't exist, that they were all looking at something other than the huge burning skyscraper hit by a plane, or that they are all keeping quiet? or do you have an alternative claim?
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No, the millions existed. And im sure most of them were looking at the towers, so whats the delay on producing just 50 that saw a plane?
 
mchapman said:
Ah, I see the goalposts were shifted again. I am not interested in what government employees were forced to say. I want the eyewitnesses you described, You knpw, the ones just going about their business when they saw a plane.
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As expected

Move along with your fantasy then, clearly firefighters must be the paid government shills we're always told about. Okay, got it...
 
mchapman said:
So, none of you can link me to just 50 testimonies. Very telling.
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What? You mean to tell us you can't find any yourself? The only telling thing about that is your inability to research.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheysaw:eyewitnessaccountsofthenycai

Here is a small subset of examples from that page:

Rob Marchesano, a construction foreman, was working at a site at La Guardia Street and West Third. He heard a roar overhead, and saw a plane flying by, low and fast and at an angle that at first made him fear that it would hit his crane. He and his co-workers watched in astonishment and then horror as the plane approached the North Tower of the World Trade Center. He noticed that the plane seemed to tilt at the last second, as though someone wanted the wings to take out as many floors as possible.
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Oh god. I'm shaking. A plane just went by my window, it was flying WAY too low, and I was thinking, "How ironic," I wrote about this in my book, and it crashed. ...Oh God, people are dead now. Oh god. –Stacy Horn, founder of ECHO, posting at 8:49 on 11 September, 2001
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A witness who works in the strategic planning department at The New York Times, Alan Flippen, said that as he came to work on 46th Street just before 9 he saw an American Airlines Boeing 767 flying ``very low in the direction of the World Trade Center towers.''
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My name is Jeff Benjamin and I was visiting a client, Axcelera Specialty Risk, on the 83rd floor of the North Tower when we observed an approaching aircraft (American Airlines Flt.11)from a distance of aprox. 3-4 miles. At the time we initially spotted the plane, it appeared to be level with us. We could distinctly identify the American airlines insignia and my client commented that perhaps the plane had taken off from Kennedy and was experiencing mechanical problems. As the plane approached us it seemed to climb. I stood up from the conference table and walked over to the window assuming as everyone did that there was no imminent danger. As the plane came closer we could see that it was traveling at a high rate of speed and the sound of the engines intensified. Immediately before impact we could see images in the cockpit and the plane banked sharply. A split second later we heard an echoing shot, fell to the floor and observed a fireball followed by debris which struck the side of the building. At the same time you could feel the building sway every so slightly for a brief moment. We immediately retreated towards the main part of the office where we noticed a huge fireball shooting out of the elevator shaft which quickly disappeared.
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I heard the loud roar of airplane engines outside. I turned in my chair so that I could see out the window. About three or four plane lengths away, I saw a huge jetliner coming at the building. I said, "That guy is low!" I spoke loud enough that my colleague sitting in the cubicle next to mine heard me. I saw the nose of the plane and then the smooth underbelly and one of the wings. It was just above me, a little bit to the right, and slightly bent so the wing over me was higher than the other wing. I couldn't see any windows or recognise any markings but I noticed the landing gear was up. It had just registered that this was no small plane when it entered our building two floors above me.​
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This above link is itself a compendium of links. Other testimonies, some of which are already found on the above link others of which are not, can be found here:
http://thememoryhole.org/911/

As well as here:
http://old.911digitalarchive.org/stories/

For those who'd rather read something on paper, here's a book:
http://www.amazon.com/September-11-History-Dean-Murphy/dp/0385507682

And let's not forget the first responder testimony, some of which does indeed describe watching the jets impacts:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

There's also reporting of what the 9-1-1 operators heard:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/01/nyregion/01operator.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/01/nyregion/01tapes.html

I mean, even trying to pretend that the information is not out there is just flabbergasting. Do you honestly think that playing link-gotcha is going to support your case? And are you honestly so benighted that you cannot find these yourself, therefore you need "help"?

Your case is not only unsupportable, it's not even new. Gravy's had these testimonies displayed, and links to others for what, over a year now? Two? And you're only now trying to imply that there were no eyewitnesses? And you're only now trying to imply that the only people who've claimed to have witnessed the jets were government employees?

Old. Long discredited. Baseless. Demonstrably wrong. That is the only logical judgement of your thesis. There were indeed eyewitnesses to the impacts.
 
mchapman said:
No, the millions existed. And im sure most of them were looking at the towers, so whats the delay on producing just 50 that saw a plane?
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Why 50? Why is that number important? If I produce 50 people who tell you that 9/11 wasn't an inside job...is that going to make you believe it?
 
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