about jesus

[CapelDodger]

A purely statutory offense in the absence of a statute? That'd be a new one.

Not the commonest reaction to the term "statutory rape". Nor the one I intended to evoke. To most minds it's equivalent to molestation, which is what I meant to convey. Mary's consent was not sought, nor at that age could it be sensibly given anyway.

 

[ReligionStudent]

could not be considered given in our culture, but in hers this would not have been an issue I don't think.

 

[ceo_esq]

To most minds it's equivalent to molestation, which is what I meant to convey.

I have to say, CD, that strikes me as a preposterous way of approaching the story. Is it just intended as a wind-up?

Mary's consent was not sought, nor at that age could it be sensibly given anyway.

Consent to what? What age?

 

[Beleth]

To understand the 'divine' issue one must first make a distinction between Jesus and Christ.
Jesus was the man and Christ is the 'inner light' of a divine consciousness.
As such, all humans are 'children of God' except that, for most, the inner spark is in a relative condition of atrophy (a seeming death). In Jesus (interpretating the story) the divine spark ignited and disintegrated (See, Last Supper as a metaphor) the human animal based ego upon which that spark was 'crucified' (as a metaphor). So, it seems, that Jesus was the first person to 'awaken' (divine illumination) to our true nature... which, it seems, is sparks of God that have gotten themselves into a jam and have been devoured by their animal based forms (body) and have anmesia about their true identity (which is 'contents' and NOT 'container').

So, nothing really remarkable about Jesus' conception and birth, then? Nothing out of the ordinary, to perhaps make his "animal based form" anything other than perfectly mundane?

 

[CapelDodger]

I have to say, CD, that strikes me as a preposterous way of approaching the story.

I dare say it does.

Is it just intended as a wind-up?

Heaven forfend.

Consent to what?

The use of her womb.

What age?

Too young for Joseph. I guess it's different for gods. RHIP.

 

[ceo_esq]

The use of her womb.

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Too young for Joseph. I guess it's different for gods. RHIP.

I'm not sure how rank enters into it. What makes you think Mary was necessarily too young to give meaningful consent to the use of her womb? Had she lived in present-day California, she could validly consent to a surgical procedure on her womb, for example.

 

[ReligionStudent]

In that time period I wonder if her consent was even necessary.

 

[ceo_esq]

In that time period I wonder if her consent was even necessary.

Right, but I think we're getting more at the requirements of justice under the circumstances.

 

[ReligionStudent]

Right, but I think we're getting more at the requirements of justice under the circumstances.

Under the circumstances, intercourse with a young woman, out of marriage, would have been perfectly acceptable, and would have been considered as showing intentions to marry. There is no reason to believe culturally that Marry being pregnant at such an age would have been problematic.

 

[ceo_esq]

Under the circumstances, intercourse with a young woman, out of marriage, would have been perfectly acceptable, and would have been considered as showing intentions to marry. There is no reason to believe culturally that Marry being pregnant at such an age would have been problematic.

I don't think we were talking about whether it would have been socially acceptable in that culture to have had sex with Mary. We were talking about whether Mary was psychologically incapable, due to her youth, of giving meaningful consent to the lease of her womb by a divine being.

 

[kurious_kathy]

I thought that Jesus was kinda always there, in spirit or something. Like there was the Holy Spirit, God, and Christ. But I was raised Catholic. And I don't really remember the whole Trinity thing very well.

We only know God the Father through the Son, and how we come to know the Son is the work of the Holy Spirit. It's really is quite fascinating when you think about it. God is so awesome that He reveals himself in three parts.

The Holy trinity is absolutely amazing and still sometimes hard for people to try to grasp.

 

[slingblade]

 

[Mashuna]

God is so awesome that He reveals himself in three parts.

Like the Godfather trilogy.

Does this mean that the holy ghost is generally derided at first, but will later go on to make highly regarded indie films?

 

[ReligionStudent]

I don't think we were talking about whether it would have been socially acceptable in that culture to have had sex with Mary. We were talking about whether Mary was psychologically incapable, due to her youth, of giving meaningful consent to the lease of her womb by a divine being.

My point is that we say that now, but even in America a in the past, her age would have not been questioned, certainly back then she was considered capable of being involved in pregnancy.

 

[ceo_esq]

My point is that we say that now, but even in America a in the past, her age would have not been questioned, certainly back then she was considered capable of being involved in pregnancy.

I agree.