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Abortion Referendum

Western society has basically already worked out what it "wants", and the new standard very much seems to be "serial monogamy". Also among gays.

I can only assume Vixen missed all that campaigning in recent years for LGBT people to have the same 'monogamous' rights as straight people.


The law in Ireland was utterly misogynistic and oppressive, forcing women who had been raped or whose babies had zero chance of survival to go through with pregnancies that were unwanted and traumatic. That their ludicrous law has been struck down is a victory for sanity.
 
.......I guess there were way more recreational abortion enthusiasts in Ireland than one imagined.

You what? "Recreational abortion enthusiast". Can you point to any such person, anywhere on the planet, let alone a multitude of them.

Oh, and have you ever heard the term "sore loser"?
 
A civilised society as we know it is founded on the family. Per Hegel and Engels the most basic economic unit is man and wife and this extrapolates to the wider society via inheritance laws, employment laws, welfare benefits and pensions.

So, you can either choose so-called 'sexual morality' (as per the Bible') or reject it.

Indeed, many gays don't bother with the concept of fidelity. For example, Tom of Finland, who came from a neighbouring parish of mine in Finland, spent most of his youth cruising for lovers, upwards of >800 a year, despite Finland still having harsh anti-homosexual laws right up to 1963, were men prosecuted for homosexual behaviour could be castrated by the state. (This is why he eventually emigrated to California and helped found the Gay movement there.)

As John Lennon, says, 'whatever gets you through the night, it's all right'.

However, when a third party enters the picture, i.e., a foetus, when does it stop being a 'clump of cells' and become a person.

Obviously, it doesn't get recognised as a living being until it breathes its first breath of air and is deceased when it breathes its last.

Abortion has always been a contentious issue. Not so long ago, women used to take to a hot bath with a bottle of gin, and some pills from the abortionist down the road, or they'd visit a back-street abortionist who'd do horrenduous things with a customised coat hanger.

It was mainly due to women putting their lives and health at risk by these dangerous methods that legal abortions 'on demand' began to become available.

There is the 'woman's right to choose', but there is also the father in all this.

I knew of a case where a father (unmarried) went all the way to court to try to stop his girlfriend aborting their baby (he lost). If he had been married, or had 'put something on the end of it' - as Jeremy Kyle likes to say - he would not have found himself in that mess.

People have accidents, get raped, get carried away, all sorts of things.

It is said the fall of the Roman Empire, and before that, the Greeks, was because of the dissolution of the family (Roman men often having boyfriends, as well as the wife) and the Greeks also having a love of boys.

Who knows? <shrug>

What we as a society need to do is work out, do we want a stable family system, or do we want a free for all 'anything goes' one?

Personal is political.

Wow.......that's straight from the 19th century.

Diddums. You lost.
 
So Ireland will soon try and beat 90s Russia for Demographic Collapse speedrun - or at least that's the impression I'm getting from the repeal voters? Only, despite abortion being an immediate First Resort and glorified as such in Russia, it didn't usher in gender equality.
 
So Ireland will soon try and beat 90s Russia for Demographic Collapse speedrun - or at least that's the impression I'm getting from the repeal voters? Only, despite abortion being an immediate First Resort and glorified as such in Russia, it didn't usher in gender equality.

Yes Ireland is turning into Russia just because it no longer has a constitutional ban on abortion.
 
Yes Ireland is turning into Russia just because it no longer has a constitutional ban on abortion.

No, but the Repeal side were acting as though abortion made 90s Russia the most gender equal nation ever, for some reason. Treating Abortion as this golden bullet for gender equality did not turn out well in reality.
 
No, but the Repeal side were acting as though abortion made 90s Russia the most gender equal nation ever, for some reason. Treating Abortion as this golden bullet for gender equality did not turn out well in reality.

I haven't heard the repeal side mention Russia even once.
 
Wow.......that's straight from the 19th century.

Diddums. You lost.


Yes that post was a doozy wasn't it?

The infidelity of gay guys, (800+ lovers per year? That's more than 2 a day :jaw-dropp), then fall of the Roman empire, (Roman men bonking boys). What is to become of Ireland in the light of all this history?:boggled:
 
Yes that post was a doozy wasn't it?

The infidelity of gay guys, (800+ lovers per year? That's more than 2 a day :jaw-dropp), then fall of the Roman empire, (Roman men bonking boys). What is to become of Ireland in the light of all this history?:boggled:

Ireland doesn't have an empire to lose, so I guess we'll just mosey along like we always did, with some people being gay, some having abortions, (only here in Ireland instead of going to England for them), and most of us not doing either.
 
A civilised society as we know it is founded on the family. Per Hegel and Engels the most basic economic unit is man and wife and this extrapolates to the wider society via inheritance laws, employment laws, welfare benefits and pensions.

So, you can either choose so-called 'sexual morality' (as per the Bible') or reject it.

Indeed, many gays don't bother with the concept of fidelity. For example, Tom of Finland, who came from a neighbouring parish of mine in Finland, spent most of his youth cruising for lovers, upwards of >800 a year, despite Finland still having harsh anti-homosexual laws right up to 1963, were men prosecuted for homosexual behaviour could be castrated by the state. (This is why he eventually emigrated to California and helped found the Gay movement there.)

As John Lennon, says, 'whatever gets you through the night, it's all right'.

However, when a third party enters the picture, i.e., a foetus, when does it stop being a 'clump of cells' and become a person.

Obviously, it doesn't get recognised as a living being until it breathes its first breath of air and is deceased when it breathes its last.

Abortion has always been a contentious issue. Not so long ago, women used to take to a hot bath with a bottle of gin, and some pills from the abortionist down the road, or they'd visit a back-street abortionist who'd do horrenduous things with a customised coat hanger.

It was mainly due to women putting their lives and health at risk by these dangerous methods that legal abortions 'on demand' began to become available.

There is the 'woman's right to choose', but there is also the father in all this.

I knew of a case where a father (unmarried) went all the way to court to try to stop his girlfriend aborting their baby (he lost). If he had been married, or had 'put something on the end of it' - as Jeremy Kyle likes to say - he would not have found himself in that mess.

People have accidents, get raped, get carried away, all sorts of things.

It is said the fall of the Roman Empire, and before that, the Greeks, was because of the dissolution of the family (Roman men often having boyfriends, as well as the wife) and the Greeks also having a love of boys.

Who knows? <shrug>

What we as a society need to do is work out, do we want a stable family system, or do we want a free for all 'anything goes' one?

Personal is political.


Really I can't begin to list all the ways this posting is offensive.

This is EXACTLY why I was so glad to escape religion. It does me good to be reminded people still exist who think like that.
 
A civilised society as we know it is founded on the family.
Is it?

Per Hegel and Engels the most basic economic unit is man and wife and this extrapolates to the wider society via inheritance laws, employment laws, welfare benefits and pensions.
you are a russian communist?

So, you can either choose so-called 'sexual morality' (as per the Bible') or reject it.
Rejected. I'm an atheist. The bible is pish.

Indeed, many gays don't bother with the concept of fidelity.
You mean like straight people do?
For example, Tom of Finland, who came from a neighbouring parish of mine in Finland, spent most of his youth cruising for lovers, upwards of >800 a year, despite Finland still having harsh anti-homosexual laws right up to 1963, were men prosecuted for homosexual behaviour could be castrated by the state. (This is why he eventually emigrated to California and helped found the Gay movement there.)
Utter bollocks. You continue to wheel out this "Tom of Finland" myth as though it is true. It isn't, it is all in your perverted head and nowhere else.

As John Lennon, says, 'whatever gets you through the night, it's all right'.
Who cares what that hippy said?

However, when a third party enters the picture, i.e., a foetus, when does it stop being a 'clump of cells' and become a person.

Obviously, it doesn't get recognised as a living being until it breathes its first breath of air and is deceased when it breathes its last.
Do tell us all where that point is. Surely you must know.

Abortion has always been a contentious issue. Not so long ago, women used to take to a hot bath with a bottle of gin, and some pills from the abortionist down the road, or they'd visit a back-street abortionist who'd do horrenduous things with a customised coat hanger.
And that is what you want to continue.

It was mainly due to women putting their lives and health at risk by these dangerous methods that legal abortions 'on demand' began to become available.
Ya think?

There is the 'woman's right to choose', but there is also the father in all this.
Oooh, nobody ever thought of that before you.

I knew of a case where a father (unmarried) went all the way to court to try to stop his girlfriend aborting their baby (he lost). If he had been married, or had 'put something on the end of it' - as Jeremy Kyle likes to say - he would not have found himself in that mess.
Anecdote.

People have accidents, get raped, get carried away, all sorts of things.
And therefore **** them? That is your position.

It is said the fall of the Roman Empire, and before that, the Greeks, was because of the dissolution of the family (Roman men often having boyfriends, as well as the wife) and the Greeks also having a love of boys.
Who knows? <shrug>
That is only said by religious loons bent on their crank agenda.


What we as a society need to do is work out, do we want a stable family system, or do we want a free for all 'anything goes' one?

Personal is political.
Dunno. Do you really want a society ruled by a priesthood which secretly rapes children? Is it OK so long as you don't find out?
 
Well, I was honestly expecting a much closer result.

Can anyone explain exactly what this "recreational abortion" nonsense TBD keeps mentioning actually is?
He's ****-stirring as usual.
Pathetic, but what else can he do, given he has no rational arguments.
 
Whilst it might save the NHS vast sums of money from the hordes of abortion seekers coming over to England for their operations and plus, the planet is overpopulated, I am not sure people have even thought the issue through.

'Yes' seems to be the trendy vote.
Living in Ireland and having spoken to many people about the subject I suspect they've thought about it a hell of a lot more than you.
 
Yep. Bloody embarrassing.
Especially given that a majority of the actual voters in Norn Iron support liberalising the abortion laws there.
It's the DUP's control of UKGov that's the obstruction.
 
So, you can either choose so-called 'sexual morality' (as per the Bible') or reject it.
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No civilised societies don't base themselves on bronze age fairy tales. Especially not ones that advocate selling off girl children, forcing women to marry their rapists and treating women as breeding stock and servants.
The America of The Handmaid's Tale is considered a dystopia by civilised people not something to aim for.
 
No, but the Repeal side were acting as though abortion made 90s Russia the most gender equal nation ever, for some reason. Treating Abortion as this golden bullet for gender equality did not turn out well in reality.
Citation required.
 

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