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Abortion: My personal experience

Bob Blaylock said:
Do not ever forgot, that you had a precious son or daughter, who could have brought great joy to you (or if not to you, to a very fortunate set of adoptive parents), and who could have made a great contribution to the world. And you chose to kill him or her, rather than give him or her a chance at life.

Some day, you will stand before your maker, with your murdered child's blood dripping from your hands, and you will be held to account for yourself. I do not envy you.

You chose to deal with a difficult situation in the most cowardly and depraved manner available to you, and you arrogantly proclaim it as an act of courage.
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Unless "god" is a figment of your imagination, in which case he'll be just fine (although won't that mean he's dead?)

I digress. There's no such thing as "god".
 
johnny karate said:
Thanks for sharing your story, foxholeatheist. I know the existence of ignorant hate-mongers doesn't make the harrowing decision you and your wife had to make any easier.
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You're calling ME a hate-monger? Surely there is no more hateful act than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child. As far as I am concerned, anyone who would defend such a depraved act is in no position to accuse me of being in any way hateful.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
You're calling ME a hate-monger? Surely there is no more hateful act than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child. As far as I am concerned, anyone who would defend such a depraved act is in no position to accuse me of being in any way hateful.
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Did you support both wars?
 
Bob Blaylock said:
You're calling ME a hate-monger? Surely there is no more hateful act than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child. As far as I am concerned, anyone who would defend such a depraved act is in no position to accuse me of being in any way hateful.
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As someone who understands the basic science that differentiates a clump of cells from a child, and who has read your numerous posts denigrating homosexuals, I'm actually in a perfect position to make such a judgment.
 
foxholeatheist said:
I was always pro-choice but not I am pro-access to care. Every hurdle and every 'waiting period' only delayed care. Making abortion difficult will not benefit anyone.
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Are you calling for abortive agents to be made freely available in pharmacy shelves without prescription?

You have already testified that abortion is not a decision to be made lightly. Although you and your wife went ahead with your abortion, the time that was spent making you go through hoops was also time you had to reconsider your decision.

Do you think it would be in most people's interests to remove this time frame?
 
Bob Blaylock said:
You're calling ME a hate-monger? Surely there is no more hateful act than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child. As far as I am concerned, anyone who would defend such a depraved act is in no position to accuse me of being in any way hateful.
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Why do you post here?
 
psionl0 said:
Are you calling for abortive agents to be made freely available in pharmacy shelves without prescription?
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That has got to be one of the dumbest argumentum ad absurdium I've ever read.

They should cost at least $4.50.
 
foxholeatheist said:
I was always pro-choice but not I am pro-access to care. Every hurdle and every 'waiting period' only delayed care. Making abortion difficult will not benefit anyone.

I wanted to share my experience with those that may not know what the human experience is. I still believe that we made the right decision for all parties involved.
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I used to identify as pro-life. I don't call myself pro-choice but in principle I am. I don't like abortions. However, until the fetus is capable of higher brain functions I can't find a reason to dictate to any woman must carry her pregnancy to full term. To do so strikes me as morally more repugnant than ending a life that lacks the necessarily elements of what we would require to call something a moral agent.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
You're calling ME a hate-monger? Surely there is no more hateful act than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child. As far as I am concerned, anyone who would defend such a depraved act is in no position to accuse me of being in any way hateful.
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Serious question. Do you eat meat? If so, you must be aware that a chicken has more capacity for thought than a 5 week old embryo and yet you don't have the same moral conflict. What makes the brainless cluster so important to you?
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Surely there is no more hateful act than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child.
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Since when is a mass of cells a "child". Even when I was "pro-life" I never claimed a fetus was a child until at least it had brain waves. I don't know if you are a hate monger but that strikes me as not so honest.
 
Considering a 2-day old Zygote to be a poor defenseless child, is absurd.

Abortion shouldn't even be a matter of debate until at least the beginning of the fetal stage
 
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foxholeatheist said:
I wanted to share my experience with those that may not know what the human experience is. I still believe that we made the right decision for all parties involved.
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In this difficult time, please accept my sympathies.
 
To the OP: thanks for sharing your story. There's been much talk about how us atheists need to "come out of the closet" to eliminate the prejudice associated with it, which I agree with. But it's true for other things as well, abortion being one of them, even though it can be so much harder given the utter jerks who will surface when someone is brave enough to share their story.

RandFan said:
I don't call myself pro-choice but in principle I am. I don't like abortions.
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Are you under the impression that most pro-choice people do like abortions? Do you think we turn cartwheels when someone goes through the experience the OP and his wife did?

Being pro-choice doesn't mean that you think abortions are happy occasions. It means that you trust women to make the right choice for themselves even if it's painful.

Statements like yours just remind me of the folks who show up here to post "well, I don't believe in [god/psychics/bigfoot] either, but I keep an open mind unlike all of you." You mean well, but you're so anxious to occupy some "reasonable" middle ground that you're willing to strawman the side you agree with just to do it.

And I'm sorry to pick on you, because Bob Blaylock has been far worse, but there's really nothing I can say to him that won't just get edited by the mods.
 
foxholeatheist said:
I wanted to share my experience with those that may not know what the human experience is. I still believe that we made the right decision for all parties involved.
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I would like to also thank you for the story and I wish you and your wife all the best.

Abd thank you for your service.
 
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Dunstan said:
Are you under the impression that most pro-choice people do like abortions? Do you think we turn cartwheels when someone goes through the experience the OP and his wife did?
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I deserve that. No, I think nothing of the sort.

Being pro-choice doesn't mean that you think abortions are happy occasions.
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I'm under no such illusions and I apologize I chose my words poorly.

It means that you trust women to make the right choice for themselves even if it's painful.
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I've nothing against that. I find that many who so define themselves as pro-choice polemic. I think the label has a lot of baggage and besides I don't give a damn about labels or ideology. I care about pragmatic realities.

Statements like yours just remind me of the folks who show up here to post "well, I don't believe in [god/psychics/bigfoot] either, but I keep an open mind unlike all of you." You mean well, but you're so anxious to occupy some "reasonable" middle ground that you're willing to strawman the side you agree with just to do it.
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Thats not my sentiment.

And I'm sorry to pick on you, because Bob Blaylock has been far worse, but there's really nothing I can say to him that won't just get edited by the mods.
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When I left JREF last year I went to a "pro-life" website and spent a lot of time engaging in discussion trying to offer another perspective. I was often called baby killer and other ugly words. Not once did I ever deviate from my position that there was no reasonable basis to force anyone to carry a child to term unless the child had reached viability and was healthy and didn't threaten the life of the mother.

I hope that better clarifies my position. At the end of the day I only have my honest opinion and I've never hesitated to give it.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
You're calling ME a hate-monger? Surely there is no more hateful act than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child. As far as I am concerned, anyone who would defend such a depraved act is in no position to accuse me of being in any way hateful.
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Loss Leader said:
In this difficult time, please accept my sympathies.
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I offer my sympathy, also. I don't want to derail, but I had a similar experience several years ago with a girl I dated in grad school.
Fast forward..... I got married a little over three years ago. Just before our first year anniversary we got pregnant but had a miscarriage. My wife was very distraught and this brought back memories associated with what happened in the past.......Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I have some understanding of what you're going through. Stay strong, and thanks for your service, Fox. :)
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Do not ever forgot, that you had a precious son or daughter, who could have brought great joy to you (or if not to you, to a very fortunate set of adoptive parents), and who could have made a great contribution to the world. And you chose to kill him or her, rather than give him or her a chance at life.

Some day, you will stand before your maker, with your murdered child's blood dripping from your hands, and you will be held to account for yourself. I do not envy you.

You chose to deal with a difficult situation in the most cowardly and depraved manner available to you, and you arrogantly proclaim it as an act of courage.
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you mean he will stand bevore the guy that allegedly flood the planet an killed almost everything?
the guy that allegedly wiped out whole cities?
that is your moral guide? no wonder you are so hatefull when you worship a monster. :rolleyes:
 
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