"Abortion Doctor" Murdered

[MattusMaximus]

I think letting states decide would alleviate some of the stress on the system being caused by the extremes.

You know, between being purposefully obtuse on the question of "what is violence" and making other boneheaded comments here, you keep coming back to this particular point as well.

It is moot. You guys have had your chance at this - twice - in one of the most conservative states in the Union, South Dakota, and the voters of that state have turned back your efforts to ban all abortions. Twice.

It's called reality - deal with it.

 

[sugarb]

I'm not sure what you mean by the bolded part.



I confess I've never understood why killing (a baby / fetus / potential human / whatever you want to call it) is a right. This thread is probably not the place to educate me on that - we'd probably get accused of derailing this thread.



Yeah - I think assisted suicide and medical marijuana. I'm sure there are others.

In the first part, I'm talking about states that are already struggling to have enough law enforcement to deal with current increasing crime rates. What you are suggesting means that, if those states were to keep abortion legal, they'd have to somehow find a way to protect people from the radical protestors that would show up to attack sitting ducks.

Assisted suicide, medical mary jane, and abortion, eh? How about viagra and vasectomies? Wonder why they don't make your list...

 

[Cleon]

Nobody is dying on the other side? Hmmm.

It might help if you responded to what I actually wrote.

 

[applecorped]

It might help if you responded to what I actually wrote.

It might help you.

 

[sugarb]

If true, that is clearly inappropriate and I hope that individual got their just desserts through our legal system. However, it doesn't equate to what I keep asking for... evidence of "pro-choicers" bombing & shooting "pro-life" advocates in an effort to intimidate them. I don't see how I can be any more clear on this particular point, and anyone who continues to ask for "clarification" is obviously acting the fool in an effort to avoid facing facts and answering the damn question.

Agreed, and no, it doesn't rise to the same level at all. People, in groups, protesting or counter protesting or whatever, often get worked up and dumb things happen. Plotting bombings and murders is something else ENTIRELY.

You really don't need to clarify. The difference is quite clear

 

[A Christian Sceptic]

You know, between being purposefully obtuse on the question of "what is violence" and making other boneheaded comments here, you keep coming back to this particular point as well.

It is moot. You guys have had your chance at this - twice - in one of the most conservative states in the Union, South Dakota, and the voters of that state have turned back your efforts to ban all abortions. Twice.

It's called reality - deal with it.

What the hell do you mean - you guys? And what the hell do you mean your efforts.

You're making some ass-making asumptions.

 

[MattusMaximus]

I've never equated the extremes with killing people. In fact - I'd say most people in the extremes on either side will never kill someone. But they are dragging us into their bitch-slapping sessions.

Correction: no one on one side has killed anyone at all over disagreements on this issue, while the other side has a documented history of extremist violence directed in ways which add up to domestic terrorism.

You folks on the "pro-life" side need to clean up your glass house before you even think about casting any stones, pal.

 

[MattusMaximus]

What the hell do you mean - you guys? And what the hell do you mean your efforts.

You're making some ass-making asumptions.

More purposeful obtuseness...

ETA: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/South_Dakota_Abortion_Ban_Initiative_(2008)

 

[A Christian Sceptic]

Assisted suicide, medical mary jane, and abortion, eh? How about viagra and vasectomies? Wonder why they don't make your list...

You think the Federal Government should make Viagra illegal? What if a state wants it to be legal?

 

[MattusMaximus]

I never said they were very good at it but a pathetic attempt could be made to insinuate that they were attempting to be verrrrrrryyyyyyy late term abortionists.

Attempt at humor...

Fail

 

[MattusMaximus]

You think the Federal Government should make Viagra illegal? What if a state wants it to be legal?

Quit derailing, or I'll sick the Mods on you. If you want to get into a discussion about federalism, start another thread in the Politics section.

 

[A Christian Sceptic]

Correction: no one on one side has killed anyone at all over disagreements on this issue, while the other side has a documented history of extremist violence directed in ways which add up to domestic terrorism.

It's irrelevant to the point I'm making which is lost on you since you're blinded by the assumptions your making about me.

You folks on the "pro-life" side need to clean up your glass house before you even think about casting any stones, pal.

See. You're already assigning me a side and damning me along with the psycho who killed the doctor. And I've never stated my position here except that maybe it might be a good idea to let states decide for themselves. Then again - maybe not. So far - I've only had a good exchange with a few here and gone around and around with others.

 

[A Christian Sceptic]

Quit derailing, or I'll sick the Mods on you. If you want to get into a discussion about federalism, start another thread in the Politics section.

Go ahead. Sick them on me. My original post having to do with federalism wasn't a derail - it was in response to what I've seen in this thread and how I felt about it and this whole topic in general.

What the hell's your problem?

 

[MattusMaximus]

See. You're already assigning me a side and damning me along with the psycho who killed the doctor. And I've never stated my position here except that maybe it might be a good idea to let states decide for themselves. Then again - maybe not. So far - I've only had a good exchange with a few here and gone around and around with others.

Nice way to play the martyr card

Okay, I'll bite if it will satisfy your ego - do you consider yourself "pro-life"? Please describe your views in detail so that we no longer insinuate anything at all about you that could possibly hurt your all-too-fragile feelings

As for going round and round with people on this thread, blame yourself and your delaying, derailing tactics.

 

[A Christian Sceptic]

Nice way to play the martyr card

Okay, I'll bite if it will satisfy your ego - do you consider yourself "pro-life"? Please describe your views in detail so that we no longer insinuate anything at all about you that could possibly hurt your all-too-fragile feelings

As for going round and round with people on this thread, blame yourself and your delaying, derailing tactics.

I'm Pro-Life Pro-Choice.

 

[MattusMaximus]

I'm Pro-Life Pro-Choice.

Nice way to describe your views in detail.

More purposeful obtuseness...

 

[Morrigan]

Thanks for being so kind and willing to discuss. I love the tolerance and openness here.



And thanks for clarifying. I won't post what I found then. That's all. Was it so hard to clarify? wow.

What the hell's with the hostility here? You'd think I was for making abortion illegal or something.

Wow - just wow.

Please, everyone can see you were being deliberately obtuse and going off on tangents instead of responding to actual points. That tends to make people impatient and annoyed. In truth, you deserve more hostility than you are receiving IMO, people are exceedingly courteous here.

I'm Pro-Life Pro-Choice.

Thanks for another vapid non-answer.

 

[garcia<3]

I'm Pro-Life Pro-Choice.

So if you had a uterus you would never get an abortion if the situation came up but you believe women should have the right to choose. OK.

 

[A Christian Sceptic]

Nice way to describe your views in detail.

More purposeful obtuseness...

I think a fetus is a human. I think that making abortions illegal doesn't stop abortions and harms women.

Is that detailed enough? Did I pass your litmus test?

 

[A Christian Sceptic]

So if you had a uterus you would never get an abortion if the situation came up but you believe women should have the right to choose. OK.

Some women choose to have an abortion whether it's legal or illegal. I also think the pro-life movement is wasting time and energy on trying to make a Federal Ban on Abortion - it won't stop abortions. If they care about the women and the babies they should identify why women even have abortions and maybe focus on those environmental variables instead. Then women can choose not to have an abortion.