Merged Abolute proof UAL 175 never struck WTC tower 2

[Homeland Insurgency]

Yes, you could identify planes by DNA.

Wow. Classic.

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

The hijackers turned them off or in the case of UAL175 they turned it to a different code.

We tracked AAL11 after the trnsponder was turned of, using primary radar, but primary radar just gives you a raw return from the aircraft skin. No altitude data.

Indy Center lost AAL77 since they didn't have primary radar in the location where AAL77 was hijacked therfore they had no radar data what so ever.

It was a smart move by the hijackers, it delayed ATC's initial response, wondering whether the aircraft was having an electrical failure or some other type of emergency.

So? What's inaccurate about what I said? The planes were not tracked or identified. No plane that crashed on 9/11 ended with a transponder code it started out with.

 

[BCR]

So? What's inaccurate about what I said? The planes were not tracked or identified. No plane that crashed on 9/11 ended with a transponder code it started out with.

Duh???

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Ok, JSS and Homeland, you win. You have found the absolute proof, the definitive evidence that there's something fishy about "the official story". I won't even try to debunk it, it's so solid.



Now what?

 

[beachnut]

So? What's inaccurate about what I said? The planes were not tracked or identified. No plane that crashed on 9/11 ended with a transponder code it started out with.

You have no idea what a transponder code means, or how planes are identified.

What you say makes no sense. But you sure like to repeat the delusions of p4t and other 911Truth standard junk.

You don’t understand logic, RADAR, DNA and most topics related in anyway to 911. Why?

I thought you had to go work?

 

[TexasJack]

I think reading comprehension from our two resident truthers on this thread is sorely and amusingly lacking.

 

[beachnut]

So? What's inaccurate about what I said? The planes were not tracked or identified. No plane that crashed on 9/11 ended with a transponder code it started out with.

What you say does not mean anything. Your statement sounds stupid.

You turn the knobs and set a code, it is assigned by ATC, the pilot enters the code. The terrorists were pilots, some turned the transponder off, some changed the code. So? Cheap Shot explained from an ATC point of view, and you failed to understand what he said, or the crap you spewed.


The RADAR data is stored and you can track the planes after they fly. The RADAR data shows 175 lined up on the WTC and witnesses watched 175 impact the WTC.

The gullibility of the new guy is due to his shallow research, your proclivity to believe idiotic ideas is standard.

 

[bonavada]

You ever see those old shows about the Klondike Gold Rush, when an eager prospector would find something in his sifting pan, would jump up and run around with the little nugget in his hand, screaming and yelling "gold, gold, gold", only to find out all to quickly that it was Pyrite.
The truthers sift the internet in search of that true nugget of gold that will make them "The Most Famous Truther of All Time" (TM). Unfortunately for them, the internet only holds little specs of Pyrite.
TAM

Great analogy.........taking it a little further, just like Humphrey Bogart in the film "The Treasure of Sierra Madre" who invests his whole life into the hunt for his little shiny "nuggets" but ends up with raging paranoid Cabin Fever as a result. Oh and we are the wise old guy from that film (can't remember his name, Walter something?) just like your poll shows :-]

BV

 

[twinstead]

What exactly would JSStyger accept as "disproof"? You'd think a REAL investigator would be out there looking for "disproof" himself, so at least he could get the other side of the story before he hitched his wagon on a theory.

Truthers give REAL investigators a bad name.

 

[Tricky]

Merging two very similar threads.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

 

[Papermache]

Great analogy.........taking it a little further, just like Humphrey Bogart in the film "The Treasure of Sierra Madre" who invests his whole life into the hunt for his little shiny "nuggets" but ends up with raging paranoid Cabin Fever as a result. Oh and we are the wise old guy from that film (can't remember his name, Walter something?) just like your poll shows :-]

BV

Walter Huston - his son John was also in the movie business.

 

[Mince]

You guys come in here like a stampede but not one of you can tell me why that flight data was so F'ed? Someboday said they had the FAA radar. Where is it.

Dude, because I don't know why it's AFU. But my point (hopefully it reached you) is that just because something remains unexplained, it does not necessarily follow that the explanation is nefarious (as you implied with your title "Abolute[sic] proof UAL 175 never struck WTC tower 2"

 

[lapman]

What you say does not mean anything. Your statement sounds stupid.

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You turn the knobs and set a code, it is assigned by ATC, the pilot enters the code. The terrorists were pilots, some turned the transponder off, some changed the code. So? Cheap Shot explained from an ATC point of view, and you failed to understand what he said, or the crap you spewed.


The RADAR data is stored and you can track the planes after they fly. The RADAR data shows 175 lined up on the WTC and witnesses watched 175 impact the WTC.

The gullibility of the new guy is due to his shallow research, your proclivity to believe idiotic ideas is standard.

It should be noted for all those non-pilots, that turning the transponder "off" is putting the knob on the upper right to STBY(standby) as shown. To put it in simple terms even a twoofer might understand. When the transponder is on standby, the signal go bye-bye.

 

[doobiedoright]

I will ask again.....
Where is the aircraft that was flt 175?
Where are the people that where on said flight?
Just asking questions!

 

[progge]

Why would anyone analyze the video. That information is obtained from the TSD which is based on flight plan data contained in the flight plan and is updated every 3 minutes as long as the aircraft is "flat tracked" an ATC term that you wouldn't know. After the planes impacted the towers, they would become a "free track" which is outside of the parameters of the route of flight. Then after about two to three minutes without any radar update it would become a "coast track" which means it just kinds of floats around. This is how that system works.

If you want to look at something look at 911files radar data, just because something has bells and whistles and a nice little picture doesn't make it real. TSD data is nothing more that a snapshot in the past of radar data, and only when the tracks are being updated.

Thanks for these useful informations. Is there a significant difference between TSD and ASD?

 

[bonavada]

Walter Huston - his son John was also in the movie business.

That's the guy......classic stuff. Just looked it up on IMdb myself, one of my favourite all-time films. Cheers.

BV

 

[alexi_drago]

Great video, I love the way the guy doesn't think the way the flight explorer thing works is relevant to his argument. In his own words, it is a moot point.

 

[jaydeehess]

Back yourself up

Actually you have been asked several times to back up your assumptions as to what the animation is displaying.

Cheap Shot has now explained for you what Flight Explorer is displaying. If you dispute this then it is up to you to back up your contention(after all you started this) with a technical description from the producers of the program. You steadfsatly refuse to do this meaning you steadfastly refuse to back up your contentions.

Another question you were asked was whether or not the animation shown in the clip from NBC was live or taped earlier. You again refuse to back up the contention that it was live, instead you just assuming it was. However I noted that the announcer says that they "were" (ie. his sentence structure indicates a past tense) looking at their Flight Explorer. So how far in the past does his "were" refer to? You have no idea so you fall back on your own confirmation bias and assume it is live.

 

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by Cheap Shot
The hijackers turned them off or in the case of UAL175 they turned it to a different code.

We tracked AAL11 after the trnsponder was turned of, using primary radar, but primary radar just gives you a raw return from the aircraft skin. No altitude data.

Indy Center lost AAL77 since they didn't have primary radar in the location where AAL77 was hijacked therfore they had no radar data what so ever.

It was a smart move by the hijackers, it delayed ATC's initial response, wondering whether the aircraft was having an electrical failure or some other type of emergency

.

So? What's inaccurate about what I said? The planes were not tracked or identified. No plane that crashed on 9/11 ended with a transponder code it started out with.

Amazing HI. Cheap Shot explained in detail what occured and you respond with a statement that confirms that you have little idea what you are talking about.

Beachnut has now also explained, and included a picture, how transponders codes on an aircraft get changed.

ATC tells a pilot what code they are to 'squawk' but it is up to the flight crew to turn those knobs in order to actually have the transponder use that code. The flight crew can also change the code to try and relay a message to ATC that they cannot get accross by radio, such as the specific code that the crew can set that indicates that they are being hijacked.(somewhat useless now since organizations that hijack aircraft now know to command the flight crew to not touch those knobs. In the past the crew would casually adjust them and make it look like a normal part of flying an aircraft) or to indicate that they are NORDO(no radio - loss of radio communication)

In the case of the 9/11 aircraft , the hijackers themselves changed the codes. Its as easy as that.

So, now do you understand why the aircraft did not squawk their original codes?

 

[BCR]

Thanks for these useful informations. Is there a significant difference between TSD and ASD?

TSD and ASD are essentially different names for the same thing. You'll hear the terms used interchangably on the FAA audios. Cheap Shot will be able to add something to the different term meanings for sure.