AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[GStan]

Please list the pilots who disagree, then we'll calculate if it's the "majority".

Really, does anyone have critical thinking skills here?

Yes, and we try to avoid arguments that are based on nothing more than appeal to authority.

 

[jtribby]

All the pilots who aren't on your core member list.

Logical fallacy. You don't even have a sample poll.

However, if one were to conduct something even close to a sample poll, I suppose you could measure all those speaking out in support of P4T, and all those speaking out against, who also claim to be pilots and can be verified on both sides.

So far, you have none.

P4T has 100%.

Yes.

Think again.

 

[dtugg]

I doubt many pilots have even heard of PfffffffffffffffffffffffT.

 

[jtribby]

Yes, and we try to avoid arguments that are based on nothing more than appeal to authority.

You may want to inform UNlovedRebel of such an argument as he feels the "majority" of non existent pilots he cannot list, disagree with P4T.

 

[Baylor]

You don't even have a sample poll.

However, if one were to conduct something even close to a sample poll, I suppose you could measure all those speaking out in support of P4T, and all those speaking out against, who also claim to be pilots and can be verified on both sides.

So far, you have none..

The Pentagon was not struck by an airliner but instead was hit by a cruise missile fired by the military.
Very likely 6.1
Somewhat likely 6.0
Not likely 80.4
Don’t know 7.4
Other 0.1

High school grad beta -.660 p=(.141) odds.517
Some college beta -.880 p=(.069) odds .415
College grad beta -1.211 p=(.027)* odds .298
Postgraduate beta -1.314 p=(.030)*odds .269

There was, however, a statistically significant difference for the “Pentagon” conspiracy, confirming that the lowest educated people will be more likely to believe in at least one of the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129967

P4T has 100% idiots...

 

[funk de fino]

These people can actually be verified of who they say they are, unlike Beachnut.

Does Naomi (flight attendant) have more experience in FDR than myself?

 

[GStan]

You may want to inform UNlovedRebel of such an argument as he feels the "majority" of non existent pilots he cannot list, disagree with P4T.

Your missing the point. It does not matter how many pilots are in P4T or the fact that more than 99.999% of the world's pilots have not signed on to P4T. What matters is that their claims are demonstrably false. Every single one of them. Arguments are crap on their own merits or lack thereof, not on the volume of "experts" who support them.

 

[funk de fino]

You personally libel the man as "deranged" from behind your screen, but it appears you know nothing about him. Some might call that ignorance and cowardice.

I guess you can prove he has a current medical and is flying FAA flights?

Yeah, there seems to be lies told there as well. Here is the real story.

Why haven't you or Gravy reported Capt Bob to the FAA for his instability? Because you lie, that's why.

Are you paranoid funk? Your sig seems to indicate as such.

Many here claim the "troofers" are paranoid. But it appears the "troofers" are the only people willing to put their name to their claims.

Interesting.

He is deranged, I have heard phonecalls that were recorded where he threatened someone. I am not lying. Try again

He threatened Gravy end of story.

ETA - my sig is form the kind of nutbags that PFT have as followers, I would rather avoid them thank you very much.

 

[jtribby]

Does Naomi (flight attendant) have more experience in FDR than myself?

I don't know how much experience you have, and by the looks of it, probably the same as her WRT FDR's, nil. But do you have more exprience than Naomi in the cabin?

I can say that the Verizon Airfone's required a credit card to use for anything other than calling our operations control center at Delta (*OCC) or our medical advisors (*PMD)...so if calls were made to relatives of the passengers on board, there would have to be a credit card record of the call. I do not believe you can call 911 from those phones, at least at Delta. We have since have them removed from our aircraft due to complaints about technical difficulties (seemed like they were never working).


I have never seen a cell phone work in flight, although I have seen countless passengers try to find a signal in flight, to no avail. I even tried one myself when I was desperate to get a hold of my mother during an in-flight emergency I wasn't sure I was going to survive. No luck.


This was one of the things that seemed very suspicious to me...cell phones just don't work in flight, no matter the altitude...the speed at which we travel makes it too difficult for the phones to find a tower to route the call through.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?s=&showtopic=12&view=findpost&p=10695795

 

[GStan]

I don't know how much experience you have, and by the looks of it, probably the same as her WRT FDR's, nil. But do you have more exprience than Naomi in the cabin?

Are you a "phone calls were faked" guy?

 

[jtribby]

I guess you can prove he has a current medical and is flying FAA flights?

If he has a current medical, he is allowed to fly "FAA" flights as the medical is issued by the FAA to fly under FAA Regulations. I have already proven it. You and your cohorts refuse to visit the source.

Does he actually fly for the FAA? Don't know. You'd have to ask him. But, he is qualified to fly under FAA regulation, which prohibits the "deranged" and "psycho's" from getting in the air, much to your dismay.

He threatened Gravy end of story.

Keep crying about it while Rob is qualified to fly. Your sig fits in well with your crying attitude.

ETA - my sig is form the kind of nutbags that PFT have as followers, I would rather avoid them thank you very much.

Yeah, you're doing a great job of it. Conversing with people you think are nuts every day huh? You must have a great life.

 

[jtribby]

Are you a "phone calls were faked" guy?

I'm not an expert on phone calls. What do you know about phone calls in flight? Ever worked the cabin as did Naomi?

Can you stick to topic?

 

[dtugg]

Cap'n Bob, can you say hi to Craig for me? It's too bad that his sock got banned here, I miss him.

 

[Reheat]

Well, well, well.... I go to bed, get up and what do I find? It's one of my missing "socks"!

 

[buka001]

Strawman? What are you on about? You want me to quote where you disagree with Beachnut? I'd have to quote all of your posts, because your opinion is the direct polar opposite of his, hence disagreement.

I noted with interest you have not said ANYTHING in relation to Beachnut posting his FAA certifications. Still waiting for your proof on your claims that he is not qualified.

The analogy with the rapist story has eluded you. The point made is if someone claims something to be the case, he is responsible to support that claim, Beachnut has supported his claim. Have you?

Beachnut interprets the data, making it easier to understand.

So what in your opinion do the NTSB believe happened to Flight 77, based on the data? Do they believe in a fly-over? Why haven't they gone to congress about their beliefs?

The expert panel at P4t is AMAZINGLY small, if one considers the total number of potential experts out there, pilots, ATC, crash investigators and technicians (why would technicians be experts on this?). One would assume there would BE 10000's of people, if the data was so compelling.

What do the following "Eyewitness Experts" Aldo Marquis, Craig Ranke and Domenick "Terrorcell - Susan Mcelwain saw my mystery UFO that shows it was all a conspiracy at Shankseville" DiMaggio possess, that makes them expert Eyewitness? What makes them experts at investigation and questioning? Have you ever watched how they question and lead people? Have they ever found anyone who WITNESSED a flyover? What qualifies them as investigators?

 

[GStan]

I'm not an expert on phone calls. What do you know about phone calls in flight? Ever worked the cabin as did Naomi?

Can you stick to topic?

You brought up Naomi.

 

[jtribby]

Your missing the point. It does not matter how many pilots are in P4T or the fact that more than 99.999% of the world's pilots have not signed on to P4T.

96% of the worlds pilots haven't signed on to ALPA, and they been around since 1931 (P4T started 2006). Does that mean 96% of pilots disagree with ALPA?

It's a logical fallacy to claim pilots not signed up for P4T, disagree with P4T. It appears you agree it doesnt matter how many sign up.

What matters is that their claims are demonstrably false. Every single one of them. Arguments are crap on their own merits or lack thereof, not on the volume of "experts" who support them.

Then why does their list continue to grow?

http://pilotsfor911trruth.org/core

And the list of verified "debunker pilots" remain at zero while these same "pilots" claim the NTSB is wrong?

 

[jtribby]

You brought up Naomi.

I did?

Does Naomi (flight attendant) have more experience in FDR than myself?

Wow, it's really amateur hour around here, huh?

 

[HyJinX]

I did?





Wow, it's really amateur hour around here, huh?

Only when you're around.

 

[GStan]

96% of the worlds pilots haven't signed on to ALPA, and they been around since 1931 (P4T started 2006). Does that mean 96% of pilots disagree with ALPA?

What is the relevance of this?

It's a logical fallacy to claim pilots not signed up for P4T, disagree with P4T.

I know. Which is why I said in the very post you quoted:

It does not matter how many pilots are in P4T or the fact that more than 99.999% of the world's pilots have not signed on to P4T

It appears you agree it doesnt matter how many sign up.

It appears that you still don't get it, otherwise you would not post this:

Then why does their list continue to grow?

http://pilotsfor911trruth.org/core

And the list of verified "debunker pilots" remain at zero while these same "pilots" claim the NTSB is wrong?

You acknowledge that the number of experts doesn't matter to the quality of the argument and then, in the same post, ask a question and make a statement that demonstrate that you think it does matter. First day at this?