Split Thread AA77 FBI Investigation [split from: AA77 FDR Data, Explained]

[ULTIMA1]

That doesn't mean they stopped the investigation.

I did not say they stopped the investigation. Please read my post.

I stated and proved by several sources that the FBI stopped working the crime scene on Sept 26

 

[Arus808]

i still dont see from Ultima or HI that serial numbers are required to identify a plane.

please provide evidence of this claim

 

[ULTIMA1]

i still dont see from Ultima or HI that serial numbers are required to identify a plane.

please provide evidence of this claim

http://www.911blogger.com/node/13149
By document labeled "Remarks of Carol Carmody Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board Leadership in Times of Crisis Seminar", it is indicated that the director of the FBI requested that the NTSB "help identify aircraft parts" belonging to the said aircraft.

By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the NTSB assisted the FBI with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft.

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

The above cited method of identification was apparently required to obtain the positive identifications of American Airlines flight 11 and United Airlines flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center towers.

 

[Arus808]

Real world logic:

1) 80 witnesses see a plane fly straight into the pentagon
2) Airline provides information that their plane is missing (Flight 77) and is only 1 of 2 planes that went missing that morning. The other plane's fate is already known. The only plane missing is a 757
3) Airline provides a list of passengers aboard the missing plane (Flight 77)
4) FBI arrive on scene and start to collect evidence, picking up plane parts that litter the pentagon's lawn
5) Search and rescue teams enter the pentagon and start collecting evidence, where they find plane parts, dead bodies, and so forth. Airline employees also visit the site, and identify the parts of the plane that they recognize as being part of the missing plane.
6) through various tests, they identify the DNA of the passengers; passengers that were aboard the missing plane (Flight 77)
7) Logic dictates that the plane, is the one that went missing, and the passegners DNA are of those passengers who went missing that day as belonging to flight 77



Ultima and HI 's logic:

1) plane is missing
2) Plane didn't hit the pentagon
3) DNA planted
4) Airline not missing a plane they are hiding it somewhere and planted other PARTS of another 757 in the pentagon.
5)??
6) Inside job.





We live in the real world. YOU and HI live in fantasy land

 

[ULTIMA1]

Real world logic:

1) 80 witnesses see a plane fly straight into the pentagon

Witness to not make very reliable sources, specially when at least one states they were told later it was a 757.

47) Logic dictates that the plane, is the one that went missing, and the passegners DNA are of those passengers who went missing that day as belonging to flight 77

DNA does not ID plane as much as you want it to.

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

The above cited method of identification was apparently required to obtain the positive identifications of American Airlines flight 11 and United Airlines flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center towers.

 

[beachnut]

Off topic tripe by Ultima1 again...

FBI started the crime scene investigation on 11 September; remember that?

 

[332nd]

Witness to not make very reliable sources, specially when at least one states they were told later it was a 757.

Yeah it's not like the rest of the evidence corroborates with the witnesses.

DNA does not ID plane as much as you want it to.

Why not?

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

The above cited method of identification was apparently required to obtain the positive identifications of American Airlines flight 11 and United Airlines flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center towers.

Apparently?

 

[bje]

We do not know since most of the evidnece and reports have not been released.

Plus the fact the the FAA will not release the serial numbers through a FOIA request, meaning the serial numbers are probably being used in the crime scene investigation.

But you already admitted a year ago that the jet that crashed into the Pentagon was AA77.

You can't take it back now, Ultima 1.

 

[bje]

Why are you so scared of the truth?

I can post more facts and evidence then you, so whay are you so scared?

No, you can't. You refused to interview ANY of the over 1,000 people who had direct access to the wreckage inside the Pentagon.

 

[Seymour Butz]

I did not say they stopped the investigation. Please read my post.

I stated and proved by several sources that the FBI stopped working the crime scene on Sept 26

So what's the beef then?

They were done with the crime scene on Sept 26.

Did they say that they would be in command of the crime scene for a month, or that the INVESTIGATION would take a month?

 

[HawksFan]

I am saying that the evidence was used for a trial not a crime scene investigation. I mean it cannot even show something as simple as the wheel at the Pentagon being from AA77.

Lawyers would have lots fun tearing up your so called evidence that supports the official story

You've stated the bolded part in another thread as well. Could you please explain how the evidence used for a trial is different than the evidence "used" at a crime scene investigation? I mean, how does that work? They collect evidence at the crime scene, come to a conclusion and go get their guy, and then use a whole 'nuther set of evidence at the trial? Really?

 

[lapman]

I am saying that the evidence was used for a trial not a crime scene investigation. I mean it cannot even show something as simple as the wheel at the Pentagon being from AA77.

Yet, you cannot come up with even one shred of evidence to prove why that would be significant.

Lawyers would have lots fun tearing up your so called evidence that supports the official story

Yet they were completely unable to do that. Of course, your evidence would never see the light of day in any court room. No lawyer would touch it since it is invalid. Where are your official documents from the FBI that state what the stop and start day was? All you've shown so far is news articles. Where is your evidence that 5 days was not enough time for this crime? So far all you've given is nothing of substance. "Others took longer" is not a valid argument. If you are who you claim you are, you would already know that each crime scene is different and there is no standard. Since evidence logging, photographing and gathering started on 9/11, what else was left to do?

 

[lapman]

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

The above cited method of identification was apparently required to obtain the positive identifications of American Airlines flight 11 and United Airlines flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center towers.

I thougth that we were talking about flight 77? They had DNA of the passengers on the manifest, the FDR that had 25 hours of flight data that matched AA77's flights during the same time period, the radar data, American Airlines reported it missing and the fact that they know where the other 3 aircraft crashed. More than ample information that would id the aircraft. A mature adult would know this.

 

[Jackanory]

http://www.911blogger.com/node/13149


"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

B]

In red again Roger. You sourced it Roger. You posted it Roger. Did you read it Roger?

Again Roger - "]"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent.

Roger - The identification of AA77 (and all other aircraft) was apparent from the plethora of real 'at the time' evidence from ATC, FAA, Radar, FDR, Eye witnesses, media coverage, DNA, Missing aircraft, missing crew, missing passengers, telephone calls, grieving families, Hijacker videos. FBI investigation etc etc etc

To argue continously about wheels and serial numbers is irrelevent as the ID of the aircraft was already apparent. Your own post, which i have highlighted in red, shows it!

 

[A W Smith]

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

do you even read what you quote? Its only the occasions where the identity of the aircraft is in doubt that the serial numbers become relevant,

 

[lapman]

U1, will use the quote about 11 and 175 as all inclusive even though it doesn't apply to 77 or 93. He will then bring up the completely irrelevant wheel id garbage without any evidence showing that a) that type of id is normal on parts that have nothing to do with the cause of a crash and b) no evidence showing that the wheel belonged to another aircraft.

 

[beachnut]

U1, will use the quote about 11 and 175 as all inclusive even though it doesn't apply to 77 or 93. He will then bring up the completely irrelevant wheel id garbage without any evidence showing that a) that type of id is normal on parts that have nothing to do with the cause of a crash and b) no evidence showing that the wheel belonged to another aircraft.

And this is the wrong thread. This is Ultima1's 5 day FBI lie.

He should have been reported for being off topic.

 

[Jackanory]

And this is the wrong thread. This is Ultima1's 5 day FBI lie.

He should have been reported for being off topic.

He has been off topic for 8 years

 

[ULTIMA1]

Yeah it's not like the rest of the evidence corroborates with the witnesses.

What evidence, the evidence that has not been released yet?

Why not?

Real evidence must be used to ID plane. Something like parts with serial numbers.

 

[ULTIMA1]

But you already admitted a year ago that the jet that crashed into the Pentagon was AA77.

You can't take it back now, Ultima 1.

Yes i can, becasue we have moe evidene that shows reasonable doubt.