Split Thread AA77 FBI Investigation [split from: AA77 FDR Data, Explained]

[ULTIMA1]

No, you can't. You refused to interview ANY of the over 1,000 people who had direct access to the wreckage inside the Pentagon.

You have no evidence at all that 1,000 people had acces to the wreakage. Stop the lies.

You have no evidnece that the wreakage found belongs to AA77. Stop the lies

 

[ULTIMA1]

They were done with the crime scene on Sept 26.

Thanks for agreeing that they were done with the crime scene on Sept. 26.

Did they say that they would be in command of the crime scene for a month, or that the INVESTIGATION would take a month?

When they took over the scene on Sept. 21 they estimated the crime scene would take a mosnt, then they ended the crime scene on Sept. 26.

 

[ULTIMA1]

You've stated the bolded part in another thread as well. Could you please explain how the evidence used for a trial is different than the evidence "used" at a crime scene investigation? I mean, how does that work? They collect evidence at the crime scene, come to a conclusion and go get their guy, and then use a whole 'nuther set of evidence at the trial? Really?

They collected the eviddence for the trail it was not for the crme scene investigation at the time.

If the official story was to go court it would be torn apart and probably be laughed out of court due to all the information missing and failing to support basic evidence.

 

[BigAl]

Thanks for agreeing that they were done with the crime scene on Sept. 26.



When they took over the scene on Sept. 21 they estimated the crime scene would take a mosnt, then they ended the crime scene on Sept. 26.

You don't have a first-hand source for that claim.

 

[BigAl]

You have no evidence at all that 1,000 people had acces to the wreakage. Stop the lies.

You have no evidnece that the wreakage found belongs to AA77. Stop the lies

What is your definition of "evidence"

Evidence -noun

1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
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[ULTIMA1]

Yet, you cannot come up with even one shred of evidence to prove why that would be significant.

Well how can you state the AA77 hit the Pentsagon if you have no hard evidence?

Of course, your evidence would never see the light of day in any court room. No lawyer would touch it since it is invalid.

Sorry but the evidence i have would hold up in court and show reasonable doubt in the officail story. The NSA CRitic when i get it will be one of the last nails in the coffin of the official story.

Where are your official documents from the FBI that state what the stop and start day was? All you've shown so far is news articles.

You forgot the other sources like the EPA, they were not jsut new articles.

Where is your evidence that 5 days was not enough time for this crime?

When the FBI took over the scene on Sept 21, they estimated that the crime scene would take a month, they ended the crime scene on Spet 26 accordiong to sevaral sources. Thats 5 days.

New world record for working a major terrorist crime scene.

 

[ULTIMA1]

You don't have a first-hand source for that claim.

You do not have any sources to debate it.

 

[ULTIMA1]

He should have been reported for being off topic.

Nice how you keep avioding the fact that you cannot post evidence that the wheel came from AA77 as you sated.

IF your next post does not contain verifiable evidence that the wheel came from AA77 then you concede to the fact that wheel is not from AA77.

 

[alexi_drago]

Nice how you keep avioding the fact that you cannot post evidence that the wheel came from AA77 as you sated.

IF your next post does not contain verifiable evidence that the wheel came from AA77 then you concede to the fact that wheel is not from AA77.

Is that really how you ascertain your facts?

 

[Seymour Butz]

When they took over the scene on Sept. 21 they estimated the crime scene would take a mosnt, then they ended the crime scene on Sept. 26.

Did they say that:

a) they would be in command of the crime scene for a month

or

b) the investigation would take a month

and....

Can you provide a quote from an FBI representative - not a media report - that it would take a month?

 

[BigAl]

You do not have any sources to debate it.

Show us a premise that you have first hand-sources for.

As far as the FBI investigation goes, you don't have a first-hand source for the estimated duration.

You haven't begun to make a case that the FBI investigation was "too short" in any way but in your imagination.

 

[FineWine]

Nice how you keep avioding the fact that you cannot post evidence that the wheel came from AA77 as you sated.

IF your next post does not contain verifiable evidence that the wheel came from AA77 then you concede to the fact that wheel is not from AA77.

One Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon, AA77. Tell us about the "other" 757.

I'll keep asking.

 

[lapman]

Well how can you state the AA77 hit the Pentsagon if you have no hard evidence?

DNA of passengers on the manifest of the flight and the FDR with a record of flights taken by the aircraft is hard evidence. Any mature adult knows this.

Sorry but the evidence i have would hold up in court and show reasonable doubt in the officail story. The NSA CRitic when i get it will be one of the last nails in the coffin of the official story.

You have yet to show any evidence that would do that. Any mature adult would not expect the "official story" to be absolutely 100% dead-on accurate. The preponderance of evidence shows the "official account" to be the most accurate one.

You forgot the other sources like the EPA, they were not jsut new articles.

The EPA is not the FBI. Where are the official documents from the FBI that show the start and stop date of the crime scene investigation.

When the FBI took over the scene on Sept 21, they estimated that the crime scene would take a month, they ended the crime scene on Spet 26 accordiong to sevaral sources. Thats 5 days.

New world record for working a major terrorist crime scene.

Irrelevant. Prove that it was not enough time on this crime scene with hard evidence. Provide official documents that support your contention and criticize the FBI for not taking enough time. "Because I said so" is not a valid piece of evidence.

 

[EventHorizon]

Witness to not make very reliable sources, specially when at least one states they were told later it was a 757.

If some people saw a plane crash into the Pentagon and there was no other evidence to back it up, then maybe it could be concluded that the eyewitnesses were mistaken. But there are mountains of evidence that show they are correct.

DNA does not ID plane as much as you want it to.

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

The above cited method of identification was apparently required to obtain the positive identifications of American Airlines flight 11 and United Airlines flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center towers.

Again, DNA is not the only thing that identifies the plane. It's the DNA combined with all of the other evidence makes it apparent what plane crashed into the Pentagon.




This is the fundamental problem with truthers. They believe that the different pieces of evidence exist in a vacuum and are independent of each other. They don't understand that all of the evidence has to be looked at together to get the full picture of what happened. It's absolutely astonishing to me that this is logical in the fantasy world that they live in. Luckily for the rest of us, we live in the real world.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Did they say that:


b) the investigation would take a month

http://arlingtonfirejournal.blogspot.com/2005/03/attack-on-pentagon-sept-11-2001.html

At 7 a.m. on Friday, Sept. 21, the recovery effort officially ended and the site was declared a crime scene, with the Federal Bureau of Investigation taking over from the Arlington County Fire Department. Firefighters stayed on the scene to assist the FBI. After the investigation was completed, construction crews moved in – working almost around the clock – with a goal of completing much of their work by the first anniversary of the attack. The rebuilding effort was dubbed the ``Phoenix Project.’’

A statement issued by the county said:

``Responsibility for incident and site management at the Pentagon crash site was transferred from the Arlington County Fire Department to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) effective at 7 a.m., Friday, Sept. 21. It is anticipated that additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI’s investigation. Qualified mortuary personnel remain on site to process these remains.

``Arlington County Fire Department personnel will remain on site to continue to provide emergency protective measures for the FBI. Specifically, they will be providing firewatch and monitoring the safety of the structure as the FBI conducts its investigation. Arlington Police will also assist the FBI in evidence processing as well as provide security as needed.

``The Urban Search and Rescue team from New Mexico completed its last shift on site at 6 p.m., Thursday evening. The team from the Military District of Washington completed its last shift at 6 a.m. Friday morning. All areas of the Pentagon except for the C, D and E rings between the fourth and fifth corridors are being released to the Department of Defense.

``The Arlington Emergency Operations Center remains operational at a staffing level appropriate for this next phase of the operation.

``The FBI expects the crime scene investigation to last about a month. ''

 

[ULTIMA1]

DNA of passengers on the manifest of the flight and the FDR with a record of flights taken by the aircraft is hard evidence.

DNA of passengers is not hard evindece to ID the plane in a crime scene investigation.

The FDR has NOT been matched to AA77 by serial number.

The preponderance of evidence shows the "official account" to be the most accurate one.

There is no preponderance of evidence.

The EPA is not the FBI.

But the EPA is a government agency that supports the facts about the crime scene. You do not have a source to debate them.

"Because I said so" is not a valid piece of evidence.

Because other major terrorost crime scenes have been worked a lot longer, look it up.

 

[ULTIMA1]

But there are mountains of evidence that show they are correct.

Funny how people keep stating about mountains of evidence, but there is no mountain of evidence since most of the evidence has not been released.

Other evidence posted can mostly be debunked.

 

[BigAl]

Well how can you state the AA77 hit the Pentsagon if you have no hard evidence?

You are making a massive rhetorical leap from "nobody on JREF has the serial number of that wheel found in the Pentagon from the 757 that was part of AA77" to "no hard evidence for AA77 hitting the Pentagon".

Only you know why you keep doing that.

The Adults know that there is literally tons of hard evidence, hundreds of relevant eyewitnesses and a huge amount of forensics and technical data tha support fact that AA77, a 757 hit the Pentagon.

 

[EventHorizon]

There is no preponderance of evidence.

You do know what that phrase means don't you?

 

[ULTIMA1]

One Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon, AA77

You have ZERO real evidence that a Beoing 757 crashed into the Pentagon.

Show evidence that the wheel at the Pentagon is from AA77 or concede you are wrong.