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A Thermite/Thermate Question

Hey genius, even assuming that your heroes are being honest and didn't fudge the results (huge assumption), those two are not even the same. You did notice that, right?
 
GodisEnergy said:
ae911 truth slideshow i think page 181 or near
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Oops, the paint is not like thermite; in fact the thermite is not thermite? You know what it really is?

Why does the paint chip have a lot of carbon? Is carbon in Thermite?

Thermite is Fe, 0, and Al. Why is Jones/Gage delusional thermite full of K? I know why, do you?

Did you know Jones made up thermite without evidence 4 years after 911? He got fired.
 
GodisEnergy said:
Actually several tests heating it in different manners has shown the stuff to be more explosive than c4.
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Stop dodging this. Where and when were these tests showing thermite (or paint particles or whatever your'e on about) has a greater explosive yield than plastic explosives?

I will accept the following.

1. "I don't know, I heard it somewhere."
2. An actual scientific comparison of the two carried out by personnel with no connection or vested interest in the 9/11 Truth Movement.

I'm not holding my breath here. You're going to either completely ignore this question or dodge with some rambling incoherent nonsense that has nothing to do with what you asserted above.
 
GodisEnergy said:
k mn 0 = kmn04
as for carbon thats an oxygen not carbon
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Oops, KMnO4 is not thermite, you left out something; like the rest of the story. Why is your thermite contaminated so bad?

Gage and Jones are frauds with delusions. You can't tell me how you will bring down the towers with thermite, you can't even tell me how you will light it. The amount, how, who, when, or where; you have not clue. This is the sad truth, you apologize for terrorist, you apologize for murderers and you don't care you that your disrespect for the dead on 911 is so great you glom to lies from these pathetic humans who fabricate delusions.

It is carbon, in your clay, or paint. You are not able to read the letters. Why is all that carbon in your paint?

Where did they find the piece of rust? Hello? When?

Gage is a fraud, you have picked a cause a group who apologize for terrorists; 19 terrorist who did 911. Gage is apologizing for terrorist so he takes your money, donations to his organization. He is selling lies and you are buying.

Chips of thermite? Lol, it is a fine power of Al, and Iron Oxide. Both Al and Iron Oxide are all over the WTC as part of the building. Idiots have fooled you. Paint the thermite on as a coating? How do they light it?

There are 99.999 percent of all world engineers and scientist who can tell you Gage is a fraud and Jones made up his delusion. Why are you not trying to solve your delusions by seeking help to understand Jones and Gage. Are you unable to ask another engineer? As an engineer I can see Gage is spewing delusions, but it only takes a grade school education to do the same. What is your excuse for believing in delusions? Why are you so gullible? Are you on Gages payroll, or do you lack the knowledge and sound judgment to understand this topic?
 
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http://www.enme.umd.edu/~mrz/pdf_papers/2005_Adv_Mat_KMnO4.pdf

This is pretty much the same signature as the spheres .And would explain the molten molybdenum spheres.

As for the Carbon ,woops i was reading it last night after quite a few beers. ;)
The samples are tested on a peice of Carbon when during xeds testing so contamination levels vary depending on which point you point it at.

I would like to see more xeds samples of the stuff,Apparently all that stuff is posted on scholars for 911 truth Forum, But i dont have access to that.
Ask Ref hes a member apparently
 
GodisEnergy, as someone who has expressed hatred and contempt for the FDNY, what role do you think they played in planting and/or disposing of the thermite you are hypothesizing was used in the 9/11 attacks?
 
GodisEnergy said:
http://www.enme.umd.edu/~mrz/pdf_papers/2005_Adv_Mat_KMnO4.pdf

This is pretty much the same signature as the spheres .And would explain the molten molybdenum spheres.
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While that paper is way beyond my engineering background, the phrase "tend to increase the energy release rate" sounds to me like it goes BOOM when ignited. Nothing went BOOM at WTC prior to any building collapse.

I've seen related phrases in papers describing the other nano-incendiaries proposed by people that don't have a practical or theoretical clue as to what they are speaking about.
 
GodisEnergy said:
http://www.enme.umd.edu/~mrz/pdf_papers/2005_Adv_Mat_KMnO4.pdf

This is pretty much the same signature as the spheres .And would explain the molten molybdenum spheres.

As for the Carbon ,woops i was reading it last night after quite a few beers. ;)
The samples are tested on a peice of Carbon when during xeds testing so contamination levels vary depending on which point you point it at.

I would like to see more xeds samples of the stuff,Apparently all that stuff is posted on scholars for 911 truth Forum, But i dont have access to that.
Ask Ref hes a member apparently
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Do you make this up as you go?

There is no KMn04 in the WTC sample found down the street in someone’s apartment! You are mixing up the junk in your mind as you try to defend delusions and fantasy with nothing but BS.

You have missed the boat! The KMnO4 is not from your paper! You have not explained why the KMnO4 is in the Thermite. Let me explain again, thermite, pure thermite is just Al, Fe, and O. Why is your sample from delusion liar Gage contaminated with more junk? Why? What is the purpose? How did it get there?

Next CLUE!!!! The thermite sample is NOT from the WTC!!!

Next clue, it does appear the burnt up sample on the left is clay and other elements like rust! I have seen the same things in left over junk FROM FIRES! I am an engineer since 1974, and Gaga is a lair on 911 issues.

Why are you gullible? GAGE is a fraud. How many years have you studied chemistry, physics, and engineering? If you can’t see Gage is a fraud try thinking with a skeptical mind, and stop spewing his lies.

There are no redeeming qualities of Gage on 911 issues!
READ and try to comprehend, stop being a dupe for a fraud.




You are not able to comprehend the evidence to see Gage is a fraud, you are defending your cult leader to the end, you drank the Kool-aid, you were picked up by Hale-Bop, you are speeding away on delusion.
 
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As shown in the paper i showed you , the same thermite mixtures used in nanotechnology by lanl and lawrence livermore lab are the exact chemicals found in all the iron microshperes and red chips.
IRON IS JUST THE MOST COMMONLY USED THERMITE REACTIONYou can use any metal oxide .Ive seen a govt chart with literally hundreds of diff thermite mixtures.
]Kmn04+ al is a ALuminotheric thermite reaction.
So is Cuo + al

Alot of different thermite reactions took place ,because each one has its own advantage like speed of reaction etc
 
GodisEnergy said:
Alot of different thermite reactions took place ,because each one has its own advantage like speed of reaction etc
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Ah, of course they did, (pats head) little mister. You know those bad men did bad stuff but nobody will listen to you, huh? (pats head again) Now you go outside and get some fresh air and play with your little friends, mkay?
 
leftysergeant said:
Exactly what I would expect in a mixture of kaolin and iron oxide. Where is the evidence of thermite?
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I concur. (And why do suspect the scales of the graphs are different in the two spectra).

Basically that signature (one on the LHS) is for Red Paint. It's not thermite or thermite residue or any other nonsense. Please GiE understand that I have experience with EDS/EDX and SEM examination. The pages below show that red paint is a much better match for that signature. It is NOT thermite, the two are so far apart it's not true.

http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?pid=S0327-07932007000200005&script=sci_arttext (Note - Au in spectra is the metallization of the sample (usually by gold spluttering).

http://www.mineralco.net/red-iron-oxide/index.php
http://chestofbooks.com/home-improv...r-Grinding/China-Clay-Or-Kaolin-In-Paint.html
http://www.dhirajlal.com/minerals.html
http://www.indiamart.com/shlokenterprise/minerals-chemicals.html

Why are you willing to believe Jones et al fully without any objective analysis? You don't know what you are looking at therefore the best thing you can do is ask an expert. Show it to a university department -chemistry/metallurgy will do, and see what they say if you don't believe me. Why would I lie? I'd put my professional reputation, my job, my house and car, the shirt on my back against that EDS spectra being thermite or capable of what you say it can do. It looks like red paint.
 
firstly your comparing nanothermite to eds of commerical thermite you buy on ebay.
fe.al.si.k. is the signature for thermite.Im not sure if paint can have kmn04 in it .

But ill gladly show the eds spectra to my local univeristy.Ill post my results on a hand held cam on you tube.I wont be in that city for a while though.Perhaps you could do it as well
 
twinstead said:
Wow. Picked up by Hale-Bopp. That ROCKS!
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Gage reminds me of their leader waiting for some comet to scoop them up and save them from the evil NWO. Gage is the best example of a cult leader. But basing your delusion on an event is dangerous, as your cult members learn, gain knowledge and start using sound judgment they leave and denounce Gage and expose his ignorance.

All Hale-Bopp to Gage. What a fraud, or the dumbest dude I have seen in 911Truth besides the standard drones joining him. Who is dumber the people spewing Gage's junk, or Gage? It is a cult.

Basing your 911 experiences on Jones who made up thermite as the cause of the fall of the WTC is pure insanity.
Jones who confronted the guy who built the WTC, the chief structural engineer, who said Jones was wrong! I mean the chief structural engineers would jump on the real cause of the collapse of the WTC and he picked impact, fire, and collapse. Gee, who knew Jones made up thermite out of the blue after 4 years of political bias turning his brain to mush~! me
 
GodisEnergy said:
firstly your comparing nanothermite to eds of commerical thermite you buy on ebay.
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No I'm directly analysing the EDS spectra that you have produced (one on the left) and I'm telling you in a professional capacity that a) it doesn't match the other (thermite) spectra you have produced and b) it's closer to red paint.

Secondly the only difference between nano-thermite and thermite would be the size of the particles (and hence rate of reaction). Nano is 10-9m jus as milli is 10-3m, it's a size measurement not a prefix for super-duper make up want you want.

GodisEnergy said:
But ill gladly show the eds spectra to my local univeristy.Ill post my results on a hand held cam on you tube.I wont be in that city for a while though.Perhaps you could do it as well
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That would be a good start and I look forward to the results.
 
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